Fraggle Rocker, slander and inappropriate comments

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  1. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    careful closet Christians will get mad . What did the world do about Hitler ?
    I support Mods good or bad . Slander is what S.F. is all about . Fraggle told Me that . How did He put it ? If you are a specialist at slander we let it slide . Something like that . Goddamn don't qualify as specialized slander . Course you could be like Alphanumatic and call people dug addicts and if your not you should be . I think he wants Me incarcerated. I don't know why? I am so nice to him it makes Me puke. Reminds Me of an Building inspector ( whose ass I kissed for 12 years ) I finally blew up one fine day , Big time blow up . I screamed and ranted for 20 minutes before I took a breath and after that " No more problems . Before that little incident he actually told my Heating subs He was out to get Me anyway he could . After the blow up he had a new out look and is now my friend . My father said some people don't respect you unless you challenge there authority . I don't know , I don't like being the bad guy , but some time necessity demands it
     
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  3. Bells Staff Member

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    Ahahahahaaa!!

    Found a definition of "atheist" you want everyone to apply yet?

    For?

    His comments were totally inappropriate. Then again, you expect me to apologise to Bork when I told him this was a deplorable comment to make:

    Look man, if you've ever seen a picture of her, she's so extremely religious you can hardly even see the eyes, it's like burkha-squared.

    And you had seen fit to enter that thread, merely to disrupt it and try to flame her and throw it off topic when you accused her of following the same philosophies as a Nazi mass murderer. You should be thankful that I was polite and did not ask you how many children you had raped seeing that you follow a religion that condones and protects paedophiles.. Can you see how such accusations and comments can be insulting now? How far do you think I'd have gotten if I made such an accusation against you, Geoff? I'd probably have been banned or at the very least given a stern warning and infraction. You got off scott free. Someone was banned because they called you a kafir. Because you found it insulting to be described as a non-christian. But you can tell someone that they follow the exact same philosophies as a Nazi mass murderer and someone who murdered his own children and exclaimed that apparently all the moderators agreed with you (false claim there by the way) and you didn't even get an infraction.

    But it's Sam, so it is somehow acceptable around this place..

    You'll excuse me if I don't take your scoffs seriously seriously Geoff. Nor will I apologise to Bork.

    I was advised by one of my colleagues that I should let this go and try to laugh about it. I am finding it difficult to laugh about the obsessive behaviour of supposed grown men who have some form of intelligence, so obsessive that they have to make stuff up about a fellow poster to get angry with her. Such behaviour would not have been tolerated if it had been directed at any other poster.

    To wit, I'm over it. This is the straw that is breaking the camel's back. And Sam and I don't even get along all the time. We have fought like cat and dog for years on this forum, disagreed on a range of issues, but it stops there.

    When members such as yourself suggest that I apologise to a member because I told him his bigoted and hateful post was not acceptable, because the object of that bigotry was Sam, then yeah, I do find myself questioning the validity of this forum and my place in it. When it becomes acceptable to accuse someone of following the same philosophies as a Nazi mass murderer, then it is clear to me that we are lowering the respectability of this forum to suits members such as yourself, Bork and Fraggle.
     
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    We don't? Damn it, I must have missed that memo!

    I was under the impression we get along fairly well, even though we might not always agree on everything!!!
     
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  7. Bells Staff Member

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    You know what I mean. We have had some knock down fights on this forum.

    But I don't recall ever calling you a Nazi mass murderer or attacking how you may or may not dress. Nor do I obsessively follow you around the forums just to flame you.
     
  8. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    @Sam

    What does it matter if Fraggle thinks you are a "standing joke"?
    How is that a big problem?

    It's not true, and if it was he wouldn't have to say it.
    People will judge from your 50k plus posts, not just one comment.

    This battle is another example of the "big fish in a small pond" mentality which is too evident on this site.
    Stop sparring and talk about the real issues.
     
  9. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    this whole forum is turning into a standing joke
     
  10. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    My customer from hell he would threaten Me with a slander suit . His interpretation of all people was " Your a Criminal " He was a retired cop from New York City . After that job for 2 years anybody with a New York Accent was on my shit list . Just to hear it on the T.V. made Me change the channel . It was not until I did a Job for Art Ware putting in a father in-law unit for his 90 year old world war 2 veteran father that I got over it . That guy was the Man . He was extremely rich one time in his life and yachted with Gaddafi until all his assets were seized by Gaddafi . Yeah put a real damper on his life . After being part Arts dads life I loved Him and New york accents are A . O.K. I like the sound of them now . Reminds Me of Arts Great Dad . He is Dead now . Died in that Father-in-law unit I built for Art
     
  11. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Moderators are also members.
    They have a right to express their point of view, even if it's wrong.
    Maybe it's not clear enough when moderators are acting as moderators, and not just posting as members.

    And maybe it is occasionally in their interests to blur the distinction.
    Perhaps they sometimes use that blurring for their own purposes.

    @Me-Ki-Gal
    Customers from Hell. Good subject for a thread.
     
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  12. Bells Staff Member

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    Good point!

    We can start right here.. Can someone tell me why?
     
  13. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    We'd have to go to the philosophy or religion section for that one Bells.
    It's that old demon ego.
     
  14. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    bells you ever noticed how this site started as the ABC when dave ran it and now its today tonight
     
  15. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    What a fool . . The dirt is to heavy . The time is short to get someone out after they been buried . It happens some times with excavators . It is why you should always use a trench box when working in a trench . A trench box is a metal cage so if the side walls cave in you are not buried . I worked in many trenches with out them . A few times the sides have caved in . You have to have an exit strategy before you jump down in the trench . First thing to do is look at the soil profile and then decide which way you want to get out of the trench if it does collapse
     
  16. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Today tonight. Looks good to me.

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    3. What's going on with this "Judges Curse"

    4. Pensioner's living in squalor. How can they afford to do THAT?????
     
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  17. Bells Staff Member

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    Hmmm..

    Or an old demon eagle..

    Fun time's over.. Back to topic..

    Exactly.

    Fraggle posted that she was the running joke, or more to the point "our little private joke". Who is this "our" that he refers to?

    So what authority did he have to make such a statement? Is it the same authority that Geoff used when he made his little comment dragging us down with him?

    Now according to Geoff, he was merely saying what I and my colleagues and everyone else on this forum was thinking when he accused her of following the same philosophies as a Nazi mass murderer. He never asked me if I believed as such. Did he ask you? And yet, he exclaimed it with quite a bit of authority. Fraggle has now followed suit, as a moderator, and claimed that Sam was "our" little joke and then commented to another member how she was his rite of passage. And Fraggle had not participated in that thread before dropping is shameful bomb, nor has he posted in it since then. Add to that, Fraggle became aware of the issue from the moderator forum, after I sought a review of another member's post, which was so offensive that it has since been deleted (as has Fraggle's for the same reason).

    I was told that we could merely sit back and let him embarrass himself further, but I would prefer if he did not drag me down with him by declaring that I apparently shared his opinion. The same applies to Geoff and all others who seem to feel that they need to make up things to get Sam.
     
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  19. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    Oh that demon Eagle is funny . Yeah pain in the butt . I wonder if they read my posts? .
    The Captain brought up an interesting Idea . The Idea of Mods posting as a member instead of as a Mod . The line is thin at best . If you don't declare the post as being a personal point of view it can be interpreted as speaking for the site proprietors. We have this problem in the Missoula home builders association in the past . Were as some one in a authority roll will go rouge and push there own agenda instead of agendas that benefit the organization as a whole. It is a fine line and when I public speak to an issue if it is not in line with the M.B.I.A. I would declare it as my personal stance as not to associate it as M.B.I.A. dogma . It is a clouded issue at best
     
  20. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Well I'm pretty certain from everything else you've said and quoted here, that I'm that "other member". So why stick to the anonymity? If anonymity was the goal, you could have PM'd me in advance and told me a whole mod thread was ongoing over my post. Since you're happy to talk in public forums about the feces you're dragging me through without my knowledge in the backrooms, can you also share with us any backroom details regarding S.A.M.'s characterizations of westerners and white people? Or your own characterizations, including your own posts singling out white people in the very same discussion?

    There's a photo here of S.A.M. with only her eyes showing, and I incorrectly remembered her as wearing a specific kind of burkha which covers nearly everything possible, have since looked at the eye picture again and realized I was totally wrong. And I apologized, because it was the right thing to do. S.A.M. has expressed uncompromising religious opinions here in the past, and I wrongly assumed that her eye picture was yet another indicator in that tradition. Yes, my "burkha-squared" quip was totally out of line, it seemed like an amusing way to emphasize my point at the time, and I realized after that it was totally insensitive, and I felt very stupid about it when I subsequently found a picture of S.A.M. in western garb. Had I realized my error sooner, I would have simply removed the eye reference altogether and substituted one of her actual quotes on religion instead.

    As to questioning S.A.M.'s objectivity and whether she can see past her own religion on issues where Islam comes into play, I think that's a fair question, and I didn't just raise it out of the blue because of her expressed stance on one particular issue. She has done the same to myself and others on many occasions with little discipline that I can see (maybe Bells can start another thread outlining backdoor discussions on the subject), and I think it's entirely fair for either party to ask what the other's motivations are when they appear to be inconsistently applied.

    Can we stop pretending this is Parliament for a sec, and make the accusations a wee bit more direct? You've already singled me out here several times and I only just found out about it now by pure chance- there's no need to make any further pretense that discretion was exercised here.
     
  21. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    I think that Fraggle's remarks reveal more about himself than anything, which is kind of a shame...

    On one hand, I have a fair bit of respect for Fraggle for his knowledge in certain areas, his thoroughness, and his (part-time) commitment to employing the appropriate methodological apparati in whatever one happens to be examining. On the other hand, he could use a bit of work in developing the lattermost attribute.

    Bells, et al, have been focusing largely on that last bit--and rightly so--but it seems like the former (the allegation of intellectual dishonesty) has mostly been ignored, so far.

    I've got quite a laundry list of grievances against Fraggle on this count, but unfortunately, I don't keep records--at least, for sciforums matters; I keep plenty of records, but mostly of my own shit, and in Moleskine notebooks, so...

    Anyhow, I'll just have to summarize a few. Whether discussing matters of linguistics, ethology, anthropology/developmental-and/or-evolutionary-psychology, Fraggle has a tendency to approach the subject as though we were discussing mathematics or logic. Positivistic approaches to these disciplines are hardly universal--or even widely prevalent--and frankly there ain't no concensus on, well, much of anything in these disciplines. For that matter, the same can kinda be said of mathematics and logic.

    For linguistics, I'll point to but one example, as I've already sketched it out a bit in a post to Tiassa in another thread--here's the relevant bit:
    (from here.)

    For those disinclined to click on all the links, what was being discussed was employment of the term "materialist" and Fraggle's contention that it's an archaic and irrelevant term in contemporary discussions of ontological and epistemological concerns. WTF?! I mean, really.

    If you're gonna defer to your status as the Linguistics Moderator, and your expertise as an amateur linguist, you damn well better get your "facts" straight, via confirmation--i.e. google, freakin' wikipedia!, whatever--before spouting ludicrous nonsense.

    I'll give a shout out to Signal here, as I'm sure that she's got a nice list going of "offences" by Fraggle in this particular regard.

    And I'm confident that there are plenty of other folks here who could dig up some related shit as concerns ethology, anthropology, developmental/evolutionary psychology, and a few other areas. (Not gonna look up the post, but I find it more than a trifle odd that a person who clearly has an interest in, and knows a good bit about, dogs and ethology would be both unfamiliar with Konrad Lorenz (popularly known as the father of the very field of ethology) and would be derisive of my reference to some of Lorenz's contentions--incidentally, this also relates very much to a popular misunderstanding of the Appeal to Authority fallacy.)

    Expanding a little on that parenthetical bit above: there is certainly a place for introducing and discussing one's "pet theories" on a science forum, but when one confuses one's own "pet theories" ("theories" employed in a layperson sense here) for theories (i.e. in that scientific sense), there's a real problem.

    IOW if a person challenges your "pet theory," you can argue all you like; but when you insist that your "theory" is authoritative and then defer to your own status as a "moderator" (as though that somehow accords you the "expert" and the decisive vote), you're steppin' way out of line--and you're well on your way to that Gold Medal in the Intellectual Dishonesty Olympics.

    And i won't even get into matters of religion and philosophy.
     
  22. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    Did you ever stop to think that White Man is the devil . White man is the one that surveyed the world into little parcels and sold it as the promise . Shit the American dream has been based on getting you own little slice of paradise for how long now ? I call it coveting the earth . Something The " Gods" are not at all happy with . OOPs Sorry bout the god thing , Don't want to up set the non believers in the Faggle Bash Tread. Boot to the nads Frag , Now that sounds like a good line for a song . It Kind of rhymes. Fuck I think I can write long lyrics to that theme
     
  23. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    interesting ? I just heard a rumor you are a person of color . Not that it matters , but maybe you are not such an animal as some on this forum are . Evolution is a funny thing you know . The day of Humans as animals is coming to an end soon my dear Sara . That is your name right ? O.K. I am not picking up on you . Just teasing . I am Married ! So stop it
     
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