Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! From the wikipedia entry, a definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control How one does this is actually pretty simple...the below was originally written under Amnesty International's aegis (nope, I was wrong), but seems to be cross-applicable to all abusive systems: http://enpsychopedia.org/index.php/Biderman's_Chart_of_Coercion Biderman's chart can be applied to totalitarian regimes, cults...abusive marriages and families. I actually suspect the regimes are more like abusive families writ large...children are born into the system and has no outside frame of reference. Abusive spouses rely on the gradual sapping of their victim's will to achieve compliance...but abusive organizations have more tools in their chest... from http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing8.html Central to why the above works: victims attach to the perpetrating person or group very strongly. Bizarrely enough, cycles of abuse and kindness enhance attachment: http://lab.drdondutton.com/wp-conte...SHIPS-A-TEST-OF-TRAUMATIC-BONDING-THEORY..pdf So this is why battered spouses go back, why abused children cling harder to their abusers, and perhaps part of why the North Koreans cry...although I expect in the last there's a lot of other motivations, most notably survival, and probably fear of the future without the Dear Leader. Specific to thought reform organizations is the following: http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing8.html Note the overlap with Biderman's checklist above. Ah, and I forgot to add a link to the following...a book on how to brainwash: http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Biderman_Manipulation_of_Human_Behaviour.pdf If you're in the US, it was your parent's taxes (most likely) that paid for that. So, before I lose another post...questions? comments? I hope you have some
Um how is that any different from "socilising", you take away people who disagree (call them.criminals and throw them in jail, look at englands anti social laws) and you use force on those who dont comply. Whats the difference?
England's ASBO proceedings are apparently to be done away with. Good. If you can get charged for doing nothing illegal that involves merely annoying someone...that's not a free society anymore, is it? http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/jan/04/asbos-antisocial-behaviour-orders Yes, you have to be taught to socialize, and if you do things that are against the law you can be charged. But a free society allows way more personal autonomy. I think there's a general consensus that the laws ought to result in a society that is relatively peaceful and which the needs of most people are met. A healthy relationship between equals allows a lot of autonomy. As for children and parents...ideally the child and what they need to be a functional adult is what comes first. In an abusive home the parent's ego needs supersede those of the child-the parent needs to be in control, to dominate someone, to use them as an outlet of frustration, or simply as someone to be cajoled into being the maid/butler for free. In a totalitarian society the only needs that matter are the whims of those in charge. So it's the power dynamics involved that make the difference, I'd say... If you look at Bederman's chart, the abusive systems require the abuse victim's dependence on the abuser, not being allowed to think for themselves, the alternation of indulgences and threats, the enforcement of whimsical demands, and being degraded to animalistic, survival-level behavior. It's only a rough match in that I think most people in totalitarian regimes never get the indulgences, only the threats.
Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I think it is a matter of degree, who is doing it, what their purpose is, why they are doing it, whether you know it is being done to you, and whether it is against your will. Political Propaganda Is Cult Brainwashing Digital TV: Mind Control by the Sound of Silence "This is an extremely timely and important essay. It overviews a secret Pentagon psychotronics technology known as Silent Sound Spread Spectrum (SSSS) that has been fully operational since the early 1990s. I first found out about the use of this technology from Al Bielek in a1992 video he made with Vladimir Terziski. This technology was used against battle-hardened Iraqi troops fortified in deep underground bunkers in Kuwait and Iraq in the first Gulf War in January of 1991.The physical, emotional, and psychological effects of this technology were so severe that hundreds of thousands of Iraqi troops surrender en masse without firing even a single shot against US led coalition forces. The numbers reported in the news were staggering: 75,000and then another 125,000 (or more) Iraqi troops would come out of their deep desert bunkers waving white flags and falling to their knees before approaching US troops and literally kiss their captor's boots or hands if given the opportunity.Why would eight year veterans of Middle Eastern warfare (with Iran 1980-1988) behave this way? Simple. They were subjected to a technology that was so extreme and incomprehensible that they were suddenly reduced to the level of compliant children and felt grateful to still be alive in the wake of their mind-wrenching experience. This technology is about to be used, albeit in a more subtle fashion, against American citizens in a highly classified and covert operation to mind control and manipulate the entire population into 'compliance' with our New World order overlords. The technology will utilize a combination of HAARP transmitters, GWEN towers, microwave cell phone towers, and the soon-to-be-mandatory High Definition Digital TV that will enter your home via: a) cable, b)satellite, c) HD TVs, or d) those oh-so-easy-to-obtain "digital converter boxes" that the government is so anxious to help you obtain and underwrite most of the cost on your behalf. But why is the government so anxious to help American citizens experience a clearer and more highly defined television picture? Does that make sense to you? Since when is the government so concerned about the visual quality of our televised entertainment that congress would pass an undebated statutory proclamation which mandated that the HD conversion take place on Feb. 17, 2009 and and then subsidize about 90% of the associated cost?" MORE Operation Mockingbird Audio: Media & Mind Control in America by Steven Jacobson Part #1 Streaming (5.24MB) 22Min 52 Sec Part #2 Streaming (4.75MB) 20Min 45 Sec
lol. Of course, all of this information I have posted would take you several days to digest. . . and I am sure most are already too brain washed, would be too bored to get through it all, and would think it is. . . well, "woo woo" now, right? Yes, too far gone already. Glad I threw my TV out when I had the chance. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
We U.S.ians have been subjected to all sorts of commercial media product conditioning through the years. My deepest ingrained brainwashing from England is, "you must come to the aid of England to honor King Arthur, Guinevere, Merlin, Robin Hood, Maid Marion, Gandalf, and the Shire". The other is, "Prince Charles is somehow tied to the word prig".
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One thing, Esotericist...brainwashing is typically done with conscious sensory input. The idea is to totally break the person down, make them entirely dependent psychologically on the leader or group, then reprogram them from that psychologically broken state. Another thing... Alex Jones turns up a lot of interesting things sometimes...but then he shoehorns all his data into this "grand conspiracy." There is no grand conspiracy. There are lots of small conspiracies, some of which have clashing goals. Pay attention to Jones' raw data, but his conclusions have no validity. Most of the conspiracies involve much more pedestrian things like buying our politicians to do things, or letting our media be bought up by the same people who build our devices of war for us, the Military-Industrial complex. Not the New World Order (although it made a really good Ministry song, back in the day...) Finally, take a look at that last link in the OP. It's an online book about brainwashing...apparently considered the authoritative "how-to" guide. :bugeye:
One of your links was a prisonplanet.com link. That's Jones. And the author is writing under a pseudonym. Uh-huh. Before I broke my little shortwave radio I tuned him in, I'm where I can pick up his shortwave signal. He's a lot more paranoid-sounding on shortwave. (That and Cuban state radio: "the US sucks! now back to salsa..."Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!)
The bottom of the article clearly states. . . "The views expressed in this article may not necessarily be those of Alex Jones or Paul Joseph Watson." It also give a bio which is not Jones bio, as this guy appears to be from England, None of that really matters though, as it is really only a condensed synthesis on how political propaganda leads to thought reform from a version of an already produced piece by Ph.D. in Psychology. I swear, do you guys really refuse to do any thinking at all? Thought Reform Exists: Organized, Programmatic Influence And this piece looks at the STATE as a cult. Which, really, it has become through compulsory education and indoctrination. Miracle, Mystery and Authority: The Triangle of Cult Indoctrination So, this piece that is hosted at Jones' site, is nothing more than a synthesis of these two article. I can think for myself, and I see the connections. I felt it was a well researched article, supported by scholarly work, by people who clearly have educated credentials and graduate degrees. If you choose not to read, or to think, that is fine by me. Perhaps this level of intellectual heavy lifting it too much for you. :shrug:
Digital TV: Mind Control by the Sound of Silence "This is an extremely timely and important essay. It overviews a secret Pentagon psychotronics technology known as Silent Sound Spread Spectrum (SSSS) that has been fully operational since the early 1990s. I first found out about the use of this technology from Al Bielek in a1992 video he made with Vladimir Terziski. This technology was used against battle-hardened Iraqi troops fortified in deep underground bunkers in Kuwait and Iraq in the first Gulf War in January of 1991.The physical, emotional, and psychological effects of this technology were so severe that hundreds of thousands of Iraqi troops surrender en masse without firing even a single shot against US led coalition forces. The numbers reported in the news were staggering: 75,000and then another 125,000 (or more) Iraqi troops would come out of their deep desert bunkers waving white flags and falling to their knees before approaching US troops and literally kiss their captor's boots or hands if given the opportunity.Why would eight year veterans of Middle Eastern warfare (with Iran 1980-1988) behave this way? Simple. They were subjected to a technology that was so extreme and incomprehensible that they were suddenly reduced to the level of compliant children and felt grateful to still be alive in the wake of their mind-wrenching experience. This technology is about to be used, albeit in a more subtle fashion, against American citizens in a highly classified and covert operation to mind control and manipulate the entire population into 'compliance' with our New World order overlords. The technology will utilize a combination of HAARP transmitters, GWEN towers, microwave cell phone towers, and the soon-to-be-mandatory High Definition Digital TV that will enter your home via: a) cable, b)satellite, c) HD TVs, or d) those oh-so-easy-to-obtain "digital converter boxes" that the government is so anxious to help you obtain and underwrite most of the cost on your behalf. But why is the government so anxious to help American citizens experience a clearer and more highly defined television picture? Does that make sense to you? Since when is the government so concerned about the visual quality of our televised entertainment that congress would pass an undebated statutory proclamation which mandated that the HD conversion take place on Feb. 17, 2009 and and then subsidize about 90% of the associated cost?" MORE But with this???? You will never even know it's happening to you. This is total something new. This is beyond even subliminal.
according to what I'm finding...the potential uses of infrasound weapons do not include thought insertion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_weapon So, people would be in pain from their TV?:bugeye: Dude... Look, because the government has allowed the media to be bought up, it effectively censors itself...and most people are just too lazy to go to the library or do the research and find out the truth. That and our education system's abysmal. Most people just don't question, is all. As for thought insertion being technically possible: http://computer.howstuffworks.com/audeo2.htm So that's where the technology is on that. Look, you read a lot of weird stuff on the 'net, hoss...don't be so d@mn credulous... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#Psychological_origins You have to question things...and question yourself...and this is why: we all tend to operate out of what's called confirmation bias: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
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The reasons brain washing works are; 1) Most people are too lazy to think on their own. That can be a lot of work and takes time. It is easy memorize the consensus thinking of any particular group. When I was in school I used to question things but it was a lot of extra work. It was easier to get A's with less effort by just accepting. In the Stockholm syndrome, the empathy with the captors is the path of least resistance, since fighting against to maintain perspective is a lot of work, since one has to maintain fear. Accepting lowers the burden. 2) If you repeat what everyone expects to hear in that group, there is very little confrontation against you. If there is confrontation, it is easier to be part of the bigger team. There is an elements of reward and punishment that favors brain washing. The better you are brain washed, the higher up the chain of command you can go. In the Stockholm syndrome you sort of become an initiate in their cause, which is easier than the gang coming down on you. Patty Hurst who was kidnapped eventually because an officer in her actives gang. 3) The team, itself, can also set up a situation where you will not be allowed to think outside the box, due to various ways of applying pressure or of luring you away from the door. This is more for brain washing maintenance. 4) it is easier to brain wash, if you can associate the brain washing, to strong emotional valence or appeal, since emotion is how memory is created in the cerebral matter, due to the memory engraining process connected to the limbic system, which controls emotions. You may need to get the herd stoked with rhetoric, for the emotional valance, and then bring in the line of bull, with the hope this two are confused and overlap, so the bull is engrained with the strong feeling. I can say, if you learn this you will get a good job. The person might be feeling good, day dreaming about his future big house and pretty wife due to a good job. I then use that warm fuzzy feeling to input a line of bull hoping this is engrained in the process. PC is all about feeling and brain washing allowing up to be down as long as the feeling is attached. In the case of the Stockholm syndrome, even if the captors were not planning to hurt anyone, there will still be a lot of fear and uncertainty. This is perfect for engraining. One could suggest they will hurt someone (even though they won't) and this will become engrained to the point where some will be very obedient. Any fear will trigger that the memory of the brain wash. This much fear is not healthy so the brain will try to lower potential to a lessor emotion. Empathy creates a new emotion for brain washing. The captors then also be nice for this brain wash. In schools, there is pressure in terms of grades and the future. There is also the lure of utopian futures. We can use this emotion to train minds of mush. Once the team is set up, they can pressure the stragglers with fear associations.
Silly man. Wikipedia is open access. . . to be edited and changed by anyone. Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media Haven't you ever heard of the Chinese Internet Water Army? How should I know that some of you aren't among them? Or among Operation Earnest Voice? Perhaps it is a matter of confirmatory bias, yet, as the old saying goes, "Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me." But since you seem to be so fond of the wiki, let's use it to prove a point about brain washing, shall we? Operation Mockingbird Operation Mockingbird was used to destroy Joeseph McCarthy, in the same way it could be used to deny Dr. Paul the White House, as it isn't in the CIA's interest. GHW Bush still has very close ties to the CIA. MOCKINGBIRD: The Subversion Of The Free Press By The CIA And this? Operation Mockingbird Audio: Media & Mind Control in America by Steven Jacobson Part #1 Streaming (5.24MB) 22Min 52 Sec Part #2 Streaming (4.75MB) 20Min 45 Sec SUBVERTING THE MEDIA "Despite this suppression of evidence, information leaked out that revealed the willing role of media executives to subvert their own industry. “Let’s not pick on some reporters,” CIA Director William Colby stated during an interview. “Let’s go to the managements. They were witting.” Bernstein concluded that “America’s leading publishers allowed themselves and their news services to become handmaidens to the intelligence services.” Of the household names that went along with this arrangement were: Columbia Broadcasting System, Copley News Service – which gave the CIA confidential information on antiwar and black protestors – ABC TV, NBC, Associated Press, United Press International, Reuters, Newsweek, Time, Scripps-Howard, Hearst Newspapers and the Miami Herald. Bernstein additionally stated that the two most bullish media outlets to co-operate were the new York Times and CBS Television. The New York Times even went so far as to submit stories to Allen Dulles and his replacement, John McCone, to vet and approve before publication. Slowly, the role of Mockingbird in muzzling and manipulating the press began to be revealed. In 1974, two former CIA agents, Victor Marchetti and John D. Marks, published a sensational book entitled “The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence.” The book caused uproar for the many revelations it contained. Included amongst them was the fact that the, until then, widely respected Encounter magazine was indirectly funded by the CIA. The vehicle used to covertly transfer funds to Encounter and many other publications, was the Congress for Cultural Freedom (CCF)– a CIA front. A decade earlier, in 1965, the CCF was renamed Forum World Features (FWF) and purchased by Kern House Enterprises, under the direction of John Hay Whitney, publisher of the International Herald Tribune and former US Ambassador to the United Kingdom." And how about the term, "embedded reporters" ever hear that one? :shrug: What is that if not controlling and manipulating what you see and hear? When is the last time you saw a coffin draped with an American flag? They happen monthly, I assure you.
I've already agreed with you that the US media is censored...I tend to think it's mainly through corporate self-interest...but am willing to believe they work hand-in-glove with the CIA. People in other countries are less amenable to BS than we are. A book I'm really glad I stumbled across is "The Secret History Of The CIA" by Joe Trento...in which one will find that the CIA is not just sinister and sleazy...but incompetent. As for the article you posted: I do not agree with his conclusions, and that was not what I was writing about. Propaganda operations and brainwashing are somewhat interrelated, but different. Propaganda can certainly be used as a part of brainwashing. BUT... I wrote a piece on brainwashing. Not propaganda. In brainwashing the intervention is immediate, personal, very obvious and painful. It is designed to break a person down and restructure them. My suggestion: start your own thread on propaganda operations, which would be a separate topic...talk about how they work, give examples from media outlets in the US. If you then want to talk about Operation Mockingbird, that would be a thread under politics or world events. Edited to add: mind control/thought insertion technologies (actual capability, theoretical possibility, current state of technology, etc.) would be a third thread. Right now you're venting off-topic in a thread I started that's specifically about brainwashing as a discrete practice. While I tend to threadswerve myself...this stuff you bring up deserves its' own thread. Not mine. Please go ahead and make those OP's. I look forward to reading them. Edited to add...not precisely male...And I agree about wikipedia, but again, if NASA's subvocalization communication system is at such a low level of usefulness...it would strongly imply that thought insertion through "silent sound" from your TV set is pretty impossible ATM. Which was my whole point, and why I went with a wikipedia entry on it. Infrasound weapons are pain compliance weapons...and if you want to prove otherwise...start the thread.
The below is another answer as to why propaganda can be a part of brainwashing, but brainwashing is a separate procedure: http://people.howstuffworks.com/brainwashing.htm Robert Jay Lifton identified ten steps in the brainwashing procedure http://people.howstuffworks.com/brainwashing1.htm The person is mentally and possibly physically assaulted until they come to hate themselves and are in severe distress. It's at this point the brainwasher begins to offer occasional kindness, and a way out of the agony of self-hatred...simply renounce those nasty, evil beliefs, confess your thoughts to the group, and we will absolve you. You can be saved/a good communist/a good muslim.
