Why so Special?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by aaqucnaona, Jan 30, 2012.

  1. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    And you know this how? They didn't leave any written records because they hadn't invented writing yet. They didn't leave any films or sound recordings because they hadn't invented those technologies either. This is just romanticized speculation about people who aren't here to speak for themselves.
    Again, please tell us where you learned this remarkable information.

    I hope you're not basing this on the accounts of explorers in the Colonial Era. They generally fell into two camps: either portraying the Noble Savage as better than their own people, or regarding them as animals who could be enslaved and sold.

    The few Paleolithic (pre-agricultural) tribes left on earth today have by now had far too much contact with civilization to be accepted as accurate examples of the culture of the prehistoric past. They're "stone age people with chainsaws and iPods."
     
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  3. aaqucnaona This sentence is a lie Valued Senior Member

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  5. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Uh.

    The anthem of all speshal people.
     
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  7. Grumpy Curmudgeon of Lucidity Valued Senior Member

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    Fraggle Rocker

    While not our ancestors Neandertals were not far behind us in cognitive abilities and the last of them died out just 20,000 years ago, give or take. Most of what we have been able to accomplish relies upon being able(through speech, writing, etc)to pass down knowledge on which to build further technology. Otherwise our supposed superiority is more a matter of degree, not of unique abilities, either physical or mental.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/30/kanzi-chimpanzee-cooking-with-fire_n_1176518.html

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  8. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    That is a great song . More to it like the bird song . It sounds simple but more going on there than one would think . The subtleties of sound are unbelievable .
     
  9. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    Yeah I been saying that . Clones and copies of the past . built on . We are built by many blocks of knowledge. Stacks upon stacks of the past . Like lines really . That is where predictability lays. Like a time loop or wheel moving at a steady rate except speeding up by the advancement of knowledge step by step . That we could brake the bonds of the wheel we could jump to the future out come now . That would be something . To live in the future that would of been but is now instead because of braking free of the wheel of destiny .
     
  10. Ripley Valued Senior Member

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    Don't good scientists not shy away from extrapolation when need be? Obviously the cave paintings in southern France are among the closest recorded data of early man's association with nature, hence also closest to earlier subspecies of Homo sapiens? And what do these paintings reveal sagaciously? You don't need to be a rocket scientist to perceive the dexterity, sensibility, care, respect given to the rendering of nature.

    Well, if you're going to use that criterion then you should also apply it further out—like, to the entire Milky Way perhaps, apart from smart pompous man, of course.
     
  11. Ripley Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly. Smart pompous man inherited the building blocks from the past to erect a modern civilization—so why disparage the earliest blocks—the foundation, really—by classifying primitive man as essentially inferior and inadequate?
     
  12. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    There are plenty of artists today who produce great renderings of nature, while the rest of us are paving it over and admiring those renderings on our monitors. It's an unwarranted extrapolation to assume that the community in which those few artists worked shared their sensibilities.
    I have no data from which to guess whether there are other species out there who have a better relationship with nature than we do.

    As I pointed out in another thread, nature ranks somewhere on everyone's list of good things. When they become prosperous enough to go that far down their list, they begin spending some of their income on preserving nature. We've certainly reached that point in the USA, with our reforestation and our pain-in-the-ass trash sorting (the Japanese happily deal with 27 different recycling categories) and our dismantling of dams, but many people have not.
     
  13. Ripley Valued Senior Member

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    Next, I suppose, you'll be extrapolating those caves as being stone age art galleries, and cavemen from afar would come visit and stroll through their painted hollowed spaces, pointing out the nuances of line and earthly tones.

    And it's an unwarranted extrapolation to assume that these early –refined– men were not a product of their age, a realization of their heritage, a reflection of their communal culture.

    That's not what I meant.

    So it's come to this for lofty modern man?? The welfare of this planet as some sort of extracurricular activity?
     

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