Where are the birth certificates?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by joepistole, Oct 24, 2011.

  1. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Given all of the fuss Republican/Tea Party devotees raised about Obama's birth certificate last election cycle, where are the birth certificates for the current crop of Republican POTUS wannabes? President Obama has shown his birth certificate several times.

    So where are the "long form" birth certificates for this Republican/Tea Party crop of candidates?
     
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  3. Cifo Day destroys the night, Registered Senior Member

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    It's interesting. Either birther-mania has run its course, or the media sees no profit in promoting them.

    From people's traffic on the Internet, the media can now make snap decisions on what sells and what doesn't. If people no longer click on birther links, I would think that the media would stop promoting them. Internet traffic data collection can include day-of-week, time-of-day, originating page, topic of link, length of staying on linked page (suggesting how far the person read into the article), etc. Where there's a profit to be made, the media probably has it down to a science.

    I can't imagine the media could get much closer to reading the minds of the public ... but they'll probably try.
     
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  5. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    See that is mind blowing . I think you are right too . Marketers are looking deeply into the minds of the collective . The internet surf is a tool .

    Can you see were this is going ?
     
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  7. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Oh birther talk is still around.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/...erry-goes-birther-with-help-from-Donald-Trump

    Where is Bachman's long form birth certificate? She was one of the original birthers.

    Funny how Bachman started backing off her birther claims when she started thinking about running for POTUS.

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    Where is her long form birth certificate? Why are Republicans not requiring their candidates for POTUS produce a long form birth certificate?
     
  8. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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  9. towards Relax...head towards the light Registered Senior Member

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    The birther talk quickly faded as soon as Obama simply showed his birth certificate. I am not sure why he did not show it to begin with; he was simply being stubborn about having to refute what truly was a ridiculous accusation.
     
  10. wireless Registered Member

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    Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Arizona, the most famous sheriff in recent history is investigating Obama. I am new here, so the system will not let me attach my link to this story. The story can be found on WND, published 03/01/2012.

    " The topic of discussion will be an investigation by Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse into concerns about Obama’s eligibility. It’s the first time an official law enforcement report has addressed many of the allegations about the presumptive 2012 Democratic nominee for president.

    The issues include Obama’s eligibility under the U.S. Constitution’s requirements, questions about his use of a Connecticut Social Security number and the image of his purported birth certificate from Hawaii. "
     
  11. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    Some investigators claim to have run Obama's social security number through the E-Verify system and found it to be invalid.

    Details here:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3WUL4gQFHQ
     
  12. wireless Registered Member

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    Carcano,
    Excellent video clip, says it all.
     
  13. Arioch Valued Senior Member

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    @the OP --

    Requiring their own party members to submit their long-form birth certificates would require the GOP to be intellectually honest, and on that day Satan will be skating to work.
     
  14. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Isn't E-Verify for immigrants? Also, how would those *investigators* have access to Obama's social security number?
     
  15. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    I think licensed private investigators are allowed access, as well as the police.

    I dont think the Maricopa Sheriff's office would have any trouble.

    Details from the news conference here:

    http://www.nj.com/hudson/voices/index.ssf/2012/03/sheriff_joe_arpaio_exposes_for.html

    "Arpaio organized the cold case five-member law enforcement posse last year to investigate allegations that the Obama birth certificate released to the public by the White House on April 27, 2011 might be a forgery, and he said he constituted the posse after a request by 250 Maricopa County citizens.

    In less than an hour, Arpaio's team laid out a compelling case that individuals working under the President of the United States have engaged in criminal forgery. And most interestingly, the case isn't just about Obama's birth certificate.

    The case against Obama was made with simple, clear videos describing the techniques the forgers used to falsifying important documents released by Obama's team. It was obvious that the law enforcement professionals doing the actual investigation are real pros. If you want the details of the techniques used you can watch the videos on Westernjournalism.com.

    The Arpaio team devastated the legitimacy of Obama's purported birth certificate from Hawaii. The investigation by document forensic experts systematically showed how the document could not be real and is part of a criminal conspiracy to commit fraud.

    But we found the most interesting information presented to have nothing to do with the Obama nativity story. Instead it had to do with the selective service records. Forensic document analysis proved this document was also a forgery. Intensive documentation proving that Postal indicia on the form was forged was particularly damaging, as this type of postal fraud is a federal felony.

    In the days ahead, it will be interesting to see if the mainstream media provides any coverage of the event's allegations. Sitting in the room we were overwhelmed by the professionalism of these sworn officers of the law. They clearly used the best experts in their investigation. Finally a legitimate law enforcement official has looked at the evidence and found, as Arpaio said, "probable cause that a felony has been committed."

    Going forward, Arpaio said that he would continue to investigate. Allusions were made to the existence of over 200 sworn depositions by witnesses in the case, including a witness that, when he met Barack Obama was introduced to him, as a foreign exchange student."
     
  16. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    Its a free government service for employers to determine employment eligibility.
     
  17. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I checked why. Some of his documents that he posted on the internet for the public contained his SSN.

    I went over the article and a few related ones. Two things that I noticed right off the bat. The Maricopa Sheriff's office has been under criminal investigation for quite some time and nothing really supportive in terms of evidence of his claim. We'll have to wait for fact check / snopes to take it apart like they did here:

    Claim: Barack Obama's birth certificate is a forgery.
    Status: False
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

    Claim: Barack Obama uses a Social Security number belonging to a man born in 1890.
    Status: False
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ssn.asp
     
  18. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Obama did show his birth certificate to begin with, except the birthers didn't accept it. After Obama published his birth certificate, birthers demanded a version of his birth certificate that was not public and not published by his state of birth (Hawaii). So Obama had to evoke extraordinary measures to get the version of his birth certificate demanded by the birthers.

    I wonder why the birthers are not making similar demands for their candidates this election cycle.
     
  19. Rhaedas Valued Senior Member

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    Doesn't work to their advantage. Also any issues with finding a certificate, even minor ones, could blow up in their face and help validate Obama's case. The right is having enough time figuring out what their plan is this election, they don't need to help the other side out any.
     
  20. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    possible Top 10 reasons:

    • Because they don't come from foreign countries like Hawaii. Oh yeah, you're thinking Alaska, but that's American because it's physically joined to the US.
    • Because none of them was stupid enough to write a book telling about how their father came from another country.
    • First of all, they're white.
    • They're good Christians, they go to church. And just ask yourself if their preachers every yelled "G-- d--- the United States of America!"
    • They never bowed down to no foreign principality or power. And if they met the pope they never kissed his ring. None of them are used to a-- kissing no other foreigner.
    • While your guy was meeting with the Unibomber (or whoever that dude was) our guy was in Top Secret meetings with the Pentagon ordering more missiles and bombs, and creating jobs, which foreign born people obviously can't do.
    • Not a one of our candidates ever lived in India, or Indonesia, or wherever the h--- your guy is from. Where the h--- is Indonesia anyway and why the h--- should I care anyway?
    • Because none of our guys is a pinko commie gay rights pro abortion women's libber which everyone knows are as un-American as apple pie isn't.
    • Small government guys are obviously American. Compare this to the Nazi pinko African Indonesian who wants Big Government so he can turn America into one big gulag. Too bad they didn't finish the wall before he crossed over like they all do, from Mexico.
    • It's called the White House for a reason.
     
  21. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    By letting them draw out the process and commit multiple news cycles to advertizing how ridiculous and inane the concerns of the Tea Party/GOP are, before eventually pulling the rug out from under them, Obama succeeded in building a negative image of his opponents as childish, xenophobic and irrelevant and a positive image of himself as mature and having better things to do. It's called "politics."
     
  22. Arioch Valued Senior Member

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    @quadraphonics --

    I suppose that it helped that the Tea Party/GOP are, for the large part, childish and xenophobic, if not quite irrelevant yet(hoping that this election will do the trick).
     
  23. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    That is pretty good!
     

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