Obama’s executions without judicial review

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  1. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Well now I want to write at least one medical grade question

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    Raise your left eyebrow in an inquisitive look. Draw the trisynaptic pathway to S1 for your sense of eyebrow placement for the direct relative to consensual eyebrow, include the soma location for 1st,2nd and 3rd order neurons.

    If your sister can answer this question AND include the name of the white mater tracts. Well, she'd probably be in the top 25 percentile of one of my classes and if she can remember this from longer than 5 years ago and isn't a head and neck surgeon, top 1%

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  3. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    That doesn't prove you know anything about what it takes/costs to practice Medicine and deliver medical care Michael.

    You've already proved you don't with statements like this:

    So very wrong on Both sides of that it shows clearly that you haven't a clue.
     
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  5. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    That stuff aside, I do understand why they say it's the younger generation that makes change. I mean, Arthur isn't an idiot. He works in the field of finance. Obviously knows how financial transactions and communication systems function. Why can't you see that having competing currencies is good?!!?! Why????

    Can't you see the inherent stability, the checks and balances, the morality of allowing people to freely trade with one another?

    Oh well, I know my side isn't going to make any headway anytime too soon. I'm not worry about me per say. I mean, I'm well paid, I have a good contract that's pretty much for life, actually, yeah, for life. It's not me I worry about. I worry about the next generation. I know them. I talk to them. I see them slipping through the f%cking cracks because they didn't get lucky enough to get offered a job. They don't understand what's going on. Most people seem to look the other way or say something to the effect of "life's a bitch". But that is not true. They were sacrificed on the pyre to save the Banks because scare mongers said "We'd be living in the Stone Age" if we didn't offer this generation to the Banking Gods.

    It makes me sick. I personally feel ill and sad for this young generation. I often tell them, you know, the babyboomers are going to start dying soon.... that's something you can look forward to

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    I tell them not to look for a job, but to create one. Don't plug into the system - reinvent it!

    I get emails all the time from past students. Just today one was laughing about how I made a great doppler effect compared to these other two people she was training with

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    I listened to a girl crying and crying she didn't get past her interview, a top student, even multilingual to boot. Meanwhile a student I tried to have expelled once for plagiarizing (elected to drop my subject) got in a top medical school. Another student I found out later plagiarized (happend to stumble across the thesis on accident) got into one of America's top medical schools

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    You may not think top students at 25 year could do it, but I do. I've meet highschool students who know neuroanatomy as well as medical students. They're exceptional, but, there's a lot of exceptional driven students out there.
     
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  7. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    This is what you're stuck on? I maintain it would be VASTLY cheaper. SO f%cking much cheaper that we can't know how cheap - and MAYBE even as cheap as $1000. Just look at what PCs cost in the 1970s versus the supercomputer in your pocket.

    Just try imagine 50 years of THAT kind of progress!


    Alternatively try thinking of the $1000 as real money - like silver. A $0.10 silver coin will buy a gallon of gas. OR you could pay $5 of nearing worthlessness USD.

    See the difference between real money and fiat? Gas has never been cheaper (and that's with all the tax). Without tax it's probably be $0.07 or less.

    So, you going to address the issue of why rape is immoral?
     
  8. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    It's like I want to change the system - I mean real change. I'm not worried BUT I'd have a lot to potentially loose if change did come. I trust in my skills and knowledge enough that I'd be willing to take the chance if it meant real change.

    You guys OTOH just like to SAY you'd like change. But you don't seem to really want it. You want to elect politicians you know won't do jack shit and then act all surprized Obama's torturing people in Gitmo (didn't close it like he said he would), continues to loose Bush's war in Afghanistan and is giving the rich more tax breaks.


    I mean, geesh!
     
  9. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    The problem is that you can't seem to articulate a clear, attractive vision of what you'd like to change to. Being really really pissed at the current state of affairs isn't the same thing as having a good suggestion for how to actually improve them. You still haven't figured out what's unattractive about linking currencies to precious metals, nor why competing local currencies won't work, so you never get any traction.

    "Any idiot can find something wrong with anything. That's what makes them idiots!"
     
  10. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Except everything doesn't work based on Moore's law.
    To think they could or even should, is silly.

    Yeah, and has the added benefit of making people who own Silver mines VERY rich.
     
  11. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    How can I make an argument when we can't even agree rape is immoral. Or if we agree, we can't agree as to why rape is immoral. And when we try, somehow we don't!?

    That's the whole freaken point in philosophy and logic. There isn't an argument - the argument is over, rape is immoral.

    See, if one said says rape is moral, well, how can I construct an argument on how we, as a society move away from rape? It wasn't that long ago "Date Rape" was a wishy washy area. Was it really rape people wondered? YES! Why? Because it was an initiation of force against an innocent person.That was the logic. It wasn't: Because.... um, I don-no, it is though, just say-in.
    :bugeye:

    That same logic must hold to all human interactions. When something violates that logic, we must either accept it as immoral OR change the interaction.

    That why there's those thought experiments like: Can two men in a room rape one another? While absurd, it's there to make you think about the words and the logic in the sentence. The who reason for oxymoron.


    Damn't Jim, I'm not an Economist!

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    IOWs this is one of those area's that, once we agree income tax and fiat is immoral, then we as a society try and figure out what other monetary system might be viable... and try them.
     
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  12. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    You really think that this is the main difficulty facing your rhetoric here?

    It's a normal, expected feature of the world that even when people agree on the morality of something, they disagree on the reasoning for that. You'll just have to deal with it.

    Still is.

    Yeah, but a lot of people still have a lot of trouble actually seeing the "initiation of force" in all but the most clear-cut cases of violent rape. Which is why the overwhelming majority of date rapes go unpunished.
     
  13. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    That the majority of date rapes go unpunished comes as no surprise to me. I mean, a society that has no problem stealing from their neighbors (you know, for the "greater good") probably doesn't have a problem raping their neighbors daughters too. So. Sad yes. Surprised no.

    Forced rape = oh, bad
    date rape = oh, come on that's different...
    B&E = oh, bad
    income tax = oh, come on that's different....

    Hundreds of years ago raping a woman was "good for her" and "good for society". More kids. Which is why women were their husbands property and had no say in society. We as a society have come to think this is wrong, but we don't seem to understand why we think it is wrong and it took centuries. That's why I say maybe five generations (barring a BillyT style collapse). I think when the real pain comes, people will look towards the government - and not with the disgust they should.

    Rape and stealing has become the norm.
    Slavery took a long long time for society to come to terms with. They had all sorts of reasons. Who's going to pick all this food? We'll go broke! We'll freeze with no cotton. We'll starve. Blah-dee-blah-blah.

    Initiation of force is immoral. Done
    Rape is immoral
    Slavery is immoral
    Stealing is immoral

    You know, they say the Babyboomers are the world's richest generation - well, no shit, anyone who can borrow with impunity and pass all that debt onto their kids and grandkids, and great grandkids - yeah, they probably appear "rich" and live an enjoyable life. When China buys more treasuries, that the babyboomers selling the labor of their grandchildren - you know, because free healthcare for them is more important than cheap university for their great grandchildren.

    Well, Joe and Arthur may think this is moral behavior - I don't. I'm in the minority and I will be in the minority. I'm curious if they'll be bewildered as society continues to be less prosperous? When BofA collapses and Obama bails them out "for the greater good" will the make the connection with the $250,000 tuition to get a degree from University? The massive number of beggers on the street. The homeless they step over on the way to work? I don't think so.
     
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  14. Xotica Everyday I’m Shufflin Registered Senior Member

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    I've come to the conclusion that conversing with you is remarkably similar to dabbling in sadism.
     
  15. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    We haven't actually had a conversation. If you want to have a conversation, that's fine. This thread is about one human who gets to wear a US flag on his shirt and carry a big title, we'll just call him Obama, unilaterally deciding that the murder of other humans, in this case US Citizens, is moral.

    So? How do we decide if it is moral? Oh, I know, maybe we'll try and use a little something called logic. You know, that bit of extra grey matter that sets us slightly apart from the other primates.

    For me it's quite easy. I understand that philosophically the initiation of force is immoral. Done. And the wonderful thing is, it's based on logic and reason. So, we don't have to worry about whether or not murder is immoral - it is immoral. Now all we have to do is decide if we want to be an immoral society. Oh, we do. Well, isn't that good for you. Your side is the majority so, live happily in the shitty society you've helped to create.

    Sadist enough for you?


    Oh, how'd your sister go at recalling proprioception of the face? Did she recall the soma are located in the mesencephalic nucleus of the trigeminal system (and as such do not decussate)? Given she works in .....trauma was it? Well, most of her patients will come in with head trauma. So, she must be doing cranial nerve examinations day in and day out - this was probably pretty easy for her. I mean, an amateur would have guessed TGG, which is why I like the question. Oh, and in case she couldn't remember, that's fine. But, those top highschool students I mentioned, the ones that I believe could do surgery by 25, they didn't. Having a good laugh? Good, enjoy yourself

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    I know I am. Those highschool students, one represented the country in a neuro-comp, they were not 'born' brilliant, they just had a great K-12 education and parents who encouraged them to spend their time learning and not watching TV. Simple formula. Home schooling not being all that uncommon.
     
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  16. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    For most, initiating force against thieves, pickpockets, swindlers, con artists, tax cheats, deadbeats, and other betrayers of the public trust and social contract, is not only OK but an essential purpose of government.
     
  17. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Murder is not always immoral. In cases of self defense for instance.
     
  18. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    If it's self-defense it doesn't count as "murder." "Murder" basically means "killing that is immoral."
     
  19. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    What about killing a bad person, like what Dexter does? Illegal but not immoral.
     
  20. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    You're not initiating a force against a thieve, you're responding to force being initiated against you by defending yourself. Try that with income tax and you go to jail - funny isn't it? The government that was supposed to protect you is now harming you. This isn't surprising, once we gave one group of humans the legal right to initate force against us, it draw in the thieves, pickpockets, swindlers, con artists, tax cheats, deadbeats, and other betrayers of the public trust like moths to a light (or now-a-days like flies to shit).

    Did heard someone did a statistical analysis of Obama's largest campaign contributors and found a direct correlation to the size of tax break they received. I bet it's a big surprise isn't it?

    The government is vested with two powers:
    1. protecting property
    2. upholding the law
     
  21. eyeswideshut Registered Senior Member

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    Racist fuck ? I´m not a racist, but sorry if I offended you.
    I just think that in the context of the thread it was a little absurd to bring a up correction how to slander terrorists... wanna see one bad terrorist motherfucker?
    He didnt blow himself up while doing hes deeds, killing 77 with bombs and sniping a away like in a war game, and now he is preaching hes political agenda in a court, welcoming only two type of sentences, liberty or death.
    What a god damn goat fucking wanna be pseudo-aryan.
    Sorry, Couldnt resist.

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    Anders Behring Breivik, the 33-year-old who has confessed to murdering 77 people in two attacks in Norway, has been charged with committing acts of terror.

    Breivik, whose attacks shocked Norway, harboured radical right-wing views and had railed against what he saw as a Marxist Islamic takeover of Europe.

    While Breivik openly expressed his views online, there was little to indicate that the young man - described by friends as quiet, friendly and ordinary - would go on to kill dozens of people, many in cold blood.

    The turning point seems to have come in his late 20s, when his paranoia grew about the "Islamisation of western Europe". After his arrest, he made no apology for the attacks, which he has described as "atrocious, but necessary" to defeat immigration.

    There has been much speculation as to whether he was insane at the time of the killings. Two psychiatric analyses reached contradicting conclusions.

    An initial court-ordered assessment concluded he was a paranoid schizophrenic, but a second report in early April ruled that he was not psychotic.

    The issue will be at the centre of his trial, due to start on 16 April, and will determine whether he should be sent to a psychiatric ward or jail.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259989

    Politics and Loonies with horrible results.
     
  22. keith1 Guest

    Even self-defense is a variable choice.
    Oh, I'm sorry, I shot that nun, because she startled me with that crucifix.
    Oh, I'm sorry I shot your boy with the candy, I thought he was a danger when I followed him.
    Oh, I'm sorry I blew that babies head off. That pacifier looked like a weapon.
     
  23. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Firstly, a jury will find such a person a murderer a pacifier does not look like a weapon.

    Secondly, I find it kind of odd people would willingly give up so many of their rights to a group of psychopaths/aka;politicians on the slight change that maybe someday one person somewhere might be so crazed as to shoot a baby and claim the pacifier was going to harm them?!!?

    99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999% of People do not think or act like that. If a person did do so there would be no way anyone would be able to do anything anyway.


    spidergoat,

    Again, this is TV. Firstly, the numbers are so utterly small. Why give up 50% of your income and many of your civil liberties because maybe some nut will do something somewhere? Secondly, if we teach children that initiation of force is wrong I think you will find that the world is a much more prosperous and gentle place.

    I'm guessing 120 years.
     

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