Let's Ban Profits!

Discussion in 'Business & Economics' started by Michael, Sep 6, 2012.

  1. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Hilarious, informative and pathetic ... and all in under 5 minutes

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    [video=youtube;07fTsF5BiSM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07fTsF5BiSM[/video]



    It should be noted that the Party Of God down in Tampa isn't any better. I'd say 99.5% of ALL Americans are clueless as to what's happening around them. They live in a little tiny itty bitty bubble, watch either Faux or MSNBC nod at the big talking head in their living room and stand in their stall waiting to complain about something. I hear idiot GOP saying this mess is "All Obama's Fault" and idiot DEM saying "This was all George Bush's fault". Meanwhile News Porn play scenes of Hurricane someone and have deep debates regarding some sociopaths marathon timing. Oh, I mean "Leader". See, the POTUS is no longer a Servant, he's a "Leader" who is going to "Lead" us to salvation just like a big Alpha Ape.

    Um, nope the answer to our problems is a little closer to home (see video

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    QUOTE: I mean we do all the shopping, we deserve our fair share of the pie.

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  5. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Oh my, yet another Republican hit piece by yet another Republican ideologue. My what a surprise – not!

    Let me ask you a real tough question. Are Democrats advocating capping corporate profits? Are Democrats advocating banning corporate profits? The answer is very clearly NO. This is yet another in a long line of misinformation Republican/conservative campaigns.
     
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  7. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    What do you mean by the word "Conservative"? I mean, what's 'Conservative' and 'Liberal' about Rethuglicans and Democrips political platforms?

    Anyway, I thought it was hilarious and don't get me wrong, you could probably go to a Rethuglican convention and ask the same question and get the same answer from most people. Most people are simply ignorant of how the world actually works. They only know what they're local politicians have nice sounding demagoguery and that they 'deserve' something from someone.

    I mean we do all the shopping, we deserve our fair share of the pie!


    What about YOU Joe? Do you think Corporate Profits should be capped? Do you think it's fair Walmart Brothers or Koch Brothers or etc.... are making all that money??? I mean, that's no fair. YOU do the shopping. You deserve some of that pie!

    LOL

    I'm 99% positive you support limiting corporate profits through governmental force. I mean "We're American" we need to "Work Together to Make a Better Tomorrow, Tomorrow"

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  8. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    like the racism there but hell why not your filled with hate and ignorance and vast and highly fucked up supierority complex.



    and when are you going to stop making these hack threads and you know actually address problems and issues in an intelligent and functional way that saying fuck it let everyone do as they want and just trust nothing will go wrong.
     
  9. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    It is a partisan hit piece. We have no indication that the tape has not been altered and represents an accurate depiction of what occurred. And per my previous post, the hit piece is as very deceptive. Democrats are not advocating “no profit” policies, nor have they pursued such policies in the past. Under President Obama’s administration corporate profits have soared and the stock markets have more than doubled – that is hardly an anti-business platform.

    If you believe that, I have given you too much credit. Of course I don’t believe in capping or limiting profits earned fairly in a competitive marketplace. Nor do the leaders of the Democratic Party or most of the membership.
     
  10. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    He is never going to do that. His whole game here is played for exactly the purpose of constructing a fantasy world that he can escape into, to avoid dealing with any serious issues or problems.
     
  11. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    The 'serious issues' is our entire monetary system. AND what exactly is your solution? I seem to recall me saying something about raising children without spanking, not stealing and trying to shrink the government to the size it used to be (<5% GDP).

    I agree Obama isn't anti-business, but many of his supporters are - I'd say most.

    What do you mean 'fairly' and 'competitive marketplace'. Is Walmart 'fair'?

    Racism? So criticizing Obama or the democratic platform is now 'racist'?

    I had to go back and look, but my quote came from the slightly pudgy white kid - maybe try to pay closer attention next time?
     
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  12. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    no reffering to a black man as an ape however is extremely racist. not that you'd give a shit about that. but hey you want the powerful to have no restraints.
     
  13. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    haha... it took me watching that whole video one more time listening for the word Ape. Then I searched the thread and realized it was ME!

    I wasn't referring to Obama, I was referring to the position POTUS. As in ALL Presidents of the USA.

    Anyway: Obama's not a "Black Man". I'm not even sure what you mean by that? If you think that then it seems racist. Obama's a human being with a 'White' parent and a 'Black' parent. But, just like me, you and everyone else - we're Apes. Apes have alpha males. We used to have 'Civil Servants' but now we have "Leaders", ie: Alpha Apes. Perhaps it's in our nature? That's what I was referring to. Either way, I don't believe in race - genetic studies have proven it to be an invalid concept. I do believe in culture, and ours is going down the toilet.




    As an aside, I'm wondering how many other people read my OP and thought it was racist? I suppose I forgot how sensitive some people are to 'race'. Interesting. For me it's a non-issue. It's not my problem you (or anyone else) jumped to thinking I was speaking as a racist. That's your problem and has nothing at all to do with me. Race was the furthest thing from my mind.
     
  14. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    its not about sensitivity you nimrod. you refered to a person of african decent an ape a known racial slur. I'm sorry you don't think its racist to refer to some as an ethnic slur but guess what I do.


    incedently most apes do not form large groups. the ones that do are gorllias, chimps, bonobos and humans the other 20 or so species don't so your generalizations of apes is wrong as well.
     
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  16. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    true as soon as i meet one I'll apolagize for lumping them in the same boat as micheal
     
  17. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    A subject that you pointedly refuse to get any serious grasp on. It's all just nutcase goldbuggery and Austrian "economics" and mostly a lot of incoherent, self-serving ranting at convenient scapegoats.

    That illustrates exactly how silly and head-up-your-own-ass you are. You want to "fix" deficit spending and expansionary monetary policy by doing away with spanking? Who are you kidding?
     
  18. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Friedrich Hayek was an "Austrian Economist" *gasp* and he was awarded the Nobel prize in economics. Which suggests that Austrian Economic theory is taken 'theriously.... like therious'

    (well, that's how I hear your small little rant up there).

    The simple fact is there are no other planets by which we can run experiments on economies and see what does and does not work. Thus, I suggest we try *gasp* doing what is fundamentally moral.

    Regardless, we are doing things YOUR way. It's not my fault pushing on a string doesn't work, it's not my fault throwing good money after bad doesn't work, it's not my fault Keynesian "Economics" is total bullshit and only became prominent because it panders to the egos of politicians and gives them a bogus claim of Scientific "Proof" to justify their dopamine fueled ego trips and kickback/paybacks to their donors.

    So, don't backpeddle now.

    It's part of the long term solution. It's not a political gimmick - which is why it probably seems so foreign a concept. Let me break it down: Doing away with spanking means no more *punch* *smack* *poof instant compliance*. Without this parents will have to rationalize with children and hopefully over time this leads to a society of level headed rational adults. These will be the people that will create a prosperous society.

    IOWs we need to remove ALL forms of violence against children. Verbal and Physical. This must be combined with rational thinking. Children should also be taught to think about Economics when they're young. As an example. Take a glass of KoolAid. Add water to it. Explain the concept of dilution. Then suggest the same can happen to money. You don't have to go into detail of monetary policy - just slowly introduce to the child what money is and the different kinds of money. Give children money to do a job, but, see if they can 'contract' it out to a friend. Suppose the yard needs raked and they've been raking it for a couple years. Maybe you give you child $10 to do it. They might (if you give them the idea) give their friend $9 to do it keeping $1 for themselves (or a sister or brother). This helps to teach children about more than just "working hard" but also working together, smart, negotiation, market, etc... Sadly, most people ONLY learn to work hard.

    When I was a child I did lots of work for no money. So, not everything has to be for money. Children can learn this as well. But, they should also learn how to negotiate and how to communicate and in this way they might want to be business owners and not only the working cog.


    Secondly, that's only one part of the solution. The other it to not steal, no more taking from Peter to give to Paul. I think this would force people in engage with one another ... you know "Community". As part of this I'd like to see currency competition become the norm. We print of many more Trillions than all the 'Rich" have TO tax. We don't have a money supply issue, we have a money issue period - primarily one of debt. People should realize that selling 30-50 year bonds is wrong. It's stealing and it's immoral. There's nothing immoral in taking on debt. There is something immoral with buying on your child's labor. That kind of debt is immoral.

    Lastly, reduce the size of the Federal Government to less than 5% GDP (with the ideal world being no government - and the understanding that this might not happen for a LONG time - it should still be taught as the ideal). This only makes good common sense. Take the "War on Poverty". There's enough money spent on the "War" whereby $40,000 could be directly given to each family in 'need'. Instead, we spend 80% of it on Bureaucratic Administration of the money. The net result? More poor. Welfare is really just another Federal scheme to give fat pay checks, great medical insurance, wonderful job security, top retirement and fantastic vacation to fat middle class American Bureaucrates. The last thing these people want to solve is a poverty problem - if they did, they'd be out of a sweet mother f*cking scam / Federal Job.

    It's no surprise to anyone who has worked in government. I know someone who took a job for government last year. He's on $100K+ (plus all those sweet ass perks and if he ticks the right box automatic pay raises and promotions). He took the job because of the 'job security and benefits' AND because he only has to effectively work 10am - 2pm, which leaves plenty of time to work on his slums project he and his friend is developing. Yeah, he's building 8 room houses that he intends to shove 4 SE Asians in per room (mainly Indian and Sri Lankan "because they'll live like that).


    Add up a MILLION of him and you have the Federal Government.



    I hope this better clarifies my position.
     
  19. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    funny coming from someone who posts are almost always rants

    and you have yet to explain how letting the poqwerful do as they wish is moral?

    true but only insofar as your wrong Keynesian economic works period. that you'd condemn it when your at least smart enough to know the theory isn't being followed properly doesn't mean it doesn't work. if anything people are using Keyesian reason to do things supported by the messed up pro corporate power ideologies of reagonomics and libertaraianism
     
  20. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    I've addressed that before, but if your point is that Austrian Economics is taken as seriously as a character in a Looney Toones cartoon then we have no disagreement.

    That hasn't stopped any of the other social sciences. Maybe you should just pretending that economics is physics or something, and accept that it is a social science.

    You don't have any grasp on what they might be.

    ? I did not design the socioeconomic and political systems that we experience. Like a classic crank, you vehemently strawman anyone who disagrees with you, and try to set them up as avatars of some illusory status quo consensus.

    It is your fault that you can't manage to say anything relevant or serious, respond substantively to direct questions, etc.

    Your inability to understand what Keynesian economics is and is not, how it does and does not relate to current policy, and how effective that is or is not, is entirely on you.

    ? Who is "backpeddling?" I remain totally steadfast in my conviction that you're a tool who doesn't know what he's talking about, spouts silly nonsense, and generally is not serious about the issues he addresses. You're on some ego-trip wherein you address silly fantasies of the world, and get to pretend that you are wise and intelligent and good. All of which just ends up exposing you for the insecure, ignorant fool that you are.

    Are you really unaware of how obtuse and inane this stuff is, as a serious answer to the issues you claim to address?

    Are we back to your equating income tax and government bonds with theft? This is total crank territory. Understand that everybody simply stops listening when you trot out this preposterous nonsense.

    You provide no reasoning or evidence whatsoever to justify that recommendation. You haven't even presented anything we could regard as a basic framework for getting at questions of what is the proper role of government and how much that should cost. This is just inane sloganeering on your part, more of you aping the politicians and righty-rant outlets that feed you your confused, manipulated agenda.

    There was never any doubt that your "position" was nothing more than a steaming mess of unconsidered right-wing pandering and producerist ego-masturbation, but that particular rambling trainwreck of incoherent superiority and ignorance was as good a demonstration as any you've produced, to be sure. By all means, keep it up: the spectacle of you stumbling over your own shoelaces ranting about this nonsense does a lot to undermine the whole "superior man of production and austere insight" image that these rightwing charlatans try to cultivate.
     
  21. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Kristen Wartman

    "Is this all about profit?"
    "Monsanto's is only about profit. All they care about it profit."

    [video=youtube;H0TxdJ8iw2U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0TxdJ8iw2U[/video]


    I'm not a fan or GMO and try to buy local grown organic when possible. But, again, here we see this message of "profit" as if it's somehow wrong for companies to try and maximize profit. Firstly, no one need to buy GMO, secondly, the free market sets the price, thirdly, yes, there probably is a problem with GMO altering our environment - but this is the job of an educated moral scientifically minded society to determine if GMO is better than pesticides and through volunteerism alter the actions of companies like Monstanto. Profit is "bad" seems to be a common theme in America today.

    With Currency Competition and without Corporations I think this attitude would change... and do so for the better.



    Thom Hartmann is one of the most "Progressive" Shows.

    Caller at 25:00 thinks we need to get "Capitalism" out of Democracy. He's thinking about Corporations and their ability to donate to candidates but it seems to me he has a distrust of "Capitalism". That our problem is "Capitalism". Which I hear on these board as well. People confuse Capitalism with Corporatism. I noticed Bernie Sander's did say anything about Corporatism and the problems inherent therein.

    [video=youtube;6DElgYPjI6Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DElgYPjI6Q[/video]


    And why would he? How do you think he's been able to suck of the public teat for so long? While I agree with some of what Bernie says, we need to get money out of politics, he doesn't seem to understand we need to get Bureaucrats out too! I also disagree with his "we need to put people to work". No Bernie, we need our money back so we can put ourselves to work. We are not children. We can organize ourselves without people like YOU telling us how to. In short, we don't need dopamine addicted politicians (Political Apes if you will) looking for their next fix trying to run our lives. We are more than capable of taking care of ourselves if people addicts like you would just give us the freedom to do so.
     
  22. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Do tell. Explain the fundamental differences between Austrian and Keynesian economic theory.

    Also, explain to me which we have been following, if either.

    It should be noted small government, no central bank (interest rates are therefor market driven not handed down from mount high by High Priest GreenNanke), currency competition and free market is classic Austrian AFAIK.



    ad hominem much?


    I'll await your detailed explanation for the fundamental differences in the two economic theories. Oh, let me guess, you're not here to do my homework for me. Or you can google. Or some other excuse.


    I've posted seminars explaining the different approaches. Mises.org is an informative site.


    Also, when you say 'right wing' what exactly are you crapping on about? What IS right wing? I'm atheist. I'm pro female rights. I'm pro gay marriage. I'm not sure where it is I'm on the right spectrum? I want currencies to compete - that's not a right platform.

    The fact is Libertarians don't fall on a right left spectrum.
     
  23. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    actually that not entirely true. when both economic and social ideas are considered libertarians neutral out being heavily to the left in social and heavily to the right on economic that being said talking purely from the economic standpoint in this thread libertarians are not only right-wing but also extremist of the highest degree.
     

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