Luminiferous Aether Exists!

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  1. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    You haven't established the factual predicate to induct a cite into the dead claim.

    Why don't you learn what the mass and volume of aether are, and report them here? You said aether has mass and volume. I said, if so, you can state its measure in kg and m[sup]3[/sup]. You can't, because it doesn't. There's no jumping off point here. This is a terminus. Your point is dead on the ground, incapable of reanimation by supersolids, galactic pressure, de Broglie, or anything else you want to clutter the thread with.

    No, you just invented that conclusion. Go back to my point above, without a quantitative value in kg and m[sup]3[/sup] you have no basis for saying any of this. You're just pulling it out of thin air and requiring it to be so, according to any arbitrary rules you impose. That makes it pure sci-fi, nothing more.

    No, you're inventing those conclusions. Again, it's not pressure which is a function of surface area. Put down your cites and write one equation that you know to be true.

    No formulas means no laws, no principles, and thus, no aether.
     
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  3. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    I took it he was relating to pressure in the sensible world, not as, say, Maxwell may have used the term.

    I think he latched onto the idea of pressure in its other meaning and mistook it. Maybe you've pushed his reset button. I know you would have just pushed mine, if I were in his shoes.
     
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  5. gravitational_aether Banned Banned

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    Are you denying the articles describe gravity as pressure exerted by aether toward matter?
     
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  7. gravitational_aether Banned Banned

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    The geometrical representation of gravity as curved spacetime physically exists as the state of displacement of the aether.

    The milky ways halo is the state of displacement of the aether.

    The milky ways halo is what Einstein referred to as curved spacetime.

    Displaced aether pushing back toward matter is gravity.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect#Vacuum_energy

    "a "field" in physics may be envisioned as if space were filled with interconnected vibrating balls and springs, and the strength of the field can be visualized as the displacement of a ball from its rest position"

    A 'field' in physics is space filled with aether and the strength of the field is the displacement of the aether from its rest position.

    Each of the plates in the Casimir effect displace the aether. The displaced aether which exists between the plates is pushing back toward each of the plates which causes the aether displaced by each of the plates which exists between the plates to offset. This aether is more at rest than the aether which is displaced by the plates which encompasses the plates. The reduced force associated with the aether which exists between the plates along with the displaced aether which encompasses the plates which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the plates causes the plates to be forced together.

    What occurs physically in nature in the Casimir effect is the same phenomenon as gravity.
     
  8. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    I deny that gravitational pressure (field density) is in any way related to conventional pressure (F/A) as you require by your claim of "aether displacement".

    I deny that NASA ever used pressure in this convoluted way when mentioning gravitational pressure. I deny that NASA says there is an aether, your ultimate reason for attempting the fallacy of the non sequitur appeal to authority.
     
  9. gravitational_aether Banned Banned

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    That's not what I asked you. I asked you if you are able to understand some of the articles describe gravity as aether exerting pressure toward matter. Are you able to understand some of the articles describe gravity as aether exerting pressure toward matter?

    'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
    http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/dec/HQ_11-402_AGU_Voyager.html

    "Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."

    You are able to understand NASA is saying it is the interstellar medium which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the Solar System, correct?

    It is not the particles of matter which exist in quantities less than in any vacuum artifically created on Earth which are pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.

    It is the aether, which the particles of matter exist in, which is the interstellar medium. It is the aether which is displaced by the matter the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.
     
  10. RealityCheck Banned Banned

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    Hi Aqueous Id, gravitational_aether.

    Happily, my upcoming COMPLETE T O E publication includes, among all the other main aspects, a consistent and testable/falsifiable explanation of that very same mass-energy-content 'proportionality' gravity effect, which arises irrespective of topographical or other considerations except that energy-mass content must be in a certain state which induces the gravity effect from its surroundings exactly proportional to the energy-mass content of the particular 'gravity-inducing energy-mass feature' under study, of whatever scale from infinitesimal to largest.

    In short, my explanation provides both your respective requirements: the reason and mechanism for gravity per se, and the reason and mechanism for its 'proportionality' and its 'ubiquity' such that gravity immediately arises 'locally' once the conditions and content of the gravity-inducing energy-matter content form itself in the necessary way to induce its gravity field around it. Nothing outre' involved. Easily confirmed/observed in everyday physics!

    It 'bridges' easily and observably/mathematically the heretofore 'separate' quantum-GR 'domains of applicability' when it comes to the separate partial theories to date. No 'renormalization' or 'additional dimension' or 'abstract geometry' needed to explain gravity in the QM domain and in the GR domain simultaneously and without ad hoc 'fixes' or fantastic 'contortions' of reality/dimensions etc. It confirms both QM AND GR, but also provides the MECHANISMS and the CONSISTENT FULLER PHYSICAL CONTEXT wherein all these phenomena arise as inevitable once the correct starting physical premise has been identified properly.

    Anyhow, that's all the hint I can give before publishing the papers/book, which I will be withdrawing any day now from forum posting in order to concentrate on!

    Until then, enjoy your discussions....and watch your blood pressure, both of you, hear!

    Cheers!
     
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  11. gravitational_aether Banned Banned

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    Displaced aether pushing back toward matter is gravity.

    Curved spacetime physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the aether.
     
  12. RealityCheck Banned Banned

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    According to my COMPLETE T.O.E., you are NEARLY on the right track. Your mechanism is not needed in mine, since the the underlying universal 'primary vacuum' (as distinct from the 'false vacuum'...look them up) is ALWAYS at the same 'energy-mass' value, with the only fluctuations of state being a certain way such that gravity-inducing 'matter-energy' forms via that 'differentiating mechanism' from primary vacuum 'space region' into 'localized' false-vacuum features which induce gravity proportionately to the matter-energy localised by the 'differentiation' mechanism into 'false vacuum' dynamics. Also, the mechanism of gravity is not 'pressure' as such, but the effect on the surrounding primary vacuum environment not caught up in the 'differentiation mechanism' event that creates the 'gravity-inducing' feature, which distribution of such features (from photons, to electrons to nucleons etc etc) effectively constitutes and behaves as the 'false vacuum' which is perceived as the phenomenological processes/dynamics of the false vacuum which arises and evolves and reverts in due course back to the primary vacuum state locally depending on local conditions. The "GR" type "curvature" is "real" only insofar as the 'differentiation' is real, and then only so far as that differentiation effect extends 'proportionately' and spread radially outwards to a distance/effectiveness concentration depended on the inducing energy-matter feature creating that 'differentiation' gradient into the surroundings where other 'features' may interact via that extended environmental effect. Sorry, I really mustn't say any more or my publication will be an anticlimax because "the cat will have been let out of the bag"!

    You are CLOSE, but have the wrong 'mechanism' and wrong 'take' on it because, unlike mine, you have not identified the real starting premise (ie, you haven't the right 'aether' concept, so the rest of your logic-train and conclusions are slightly off). Still, not a bad effort! Better than some I've heard so far, both from amateurs or professionals! Until my complete toe publication comes out, enjoy your own exploratory journey! Cheers!
     
  13. gravitational_aether Banned Banned

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    ‘Dark Matter Core Defies Explanation in NASA Hubble Image’
    http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/mar/HQ_12-068_Hubble_Dark_Core.html

    “This technique revealed the dark matter in Abell 520 had collected into a “dark core,” containing far fewer galaxies than would be expected if the dark matter and galaxies were anchored together. Most of the galaxies apparently have sailed far away from the collision. “This result is a puzzle,” said astronomer James Jee of the University of California in Davis, lead author of paper about the results available online in The Astrophysical Journal. “Dark matter is not behaving as predicted, and it’s not obviously clear what is going on. It is difficult to explain this Hubble observation with the current theories of galaxy formation and dark matter.”"

    The dark matter core does not defy explanation. The dark matter core is not a puzzle. The dark matter core is not difficult to explain. It is obviously clear what is going on.

    Non-baryonic dark matter and galaxies are not anchored together. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.

    Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter.

    The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether.

    The Milky Way's halo is what Einstein referred to as curved spacetime.

    The geometrical representation of gravity as curved spacetime physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the aether.

    Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.

    A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the aether passes through both.
     
  14. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    No, you asked me:

    And I answered you: Yes, I deny that NASA is referring to pressure as force per unit area, but as field density. I deny that NASA attributes this to aether. What part of this did you not understand?

    No, I understand that you have inserted a spurious claim of aether wherever you found a reference to the archaic term "pressure", esp. where it means "field density".

    No, it is not correct, they did not say "medium", or "pressure on the solar system" or aether. You inserted that spuriously. The "it" that is being "compacted" is the magnetic field, nothing more. The rest is your embellishment.

    Wrong again. NASA is discussing particles of matter precisely. They are streaming into the heliosphere as a cosmic wind, doubling the density of the the field Voyager is now measuring.

    The pressure is not on the solar system but on the magnetic field and solar wind. It is not a mechanical pressure, but a field density pressure. Do you not understand what instruments are aboard Voyager, and what they are measuring?

    Do you not understand that NASA never says that? They do not say "aether". They do not say "medium". You just made that up and snuck it in there to mislead readers. Why? For what purpose?

    Do you not understand that NASA did not mention an aether or a medium? Do you not understand that they are referring to the magnetic field Voyager is measuring, and the solar ejecta? Do you not understand that they said that what is "pushing back" is the inbound cosmic radiation?
     
  15. ash64449 Registered Senior Member

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    This is exactly what i was trying to explain.. That guy just doesn't understand what i said.....

    I have read all his articles carefully and none of them can tell the answer to this question..... He doesn't understand this... This is only enough to prove that all his theory are wrong.... All his articles are wrong.. Because of this simple conclusions... Sometimes people just miss simple basics and try to extend everything complicated without looking at basics... That is why his type of conclusion arises.... Why he can't understand that?
     
  16. ash64449 Registered Senior Member

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    No.... Your article will be right if your theory is right but your way of describing gravity seems to be wrong..So all other conclusions are wrong..
     
  17. ash64449 Registered Senior Member

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    Hey gravitational aether,
    You haven't given answer to what Aqueous Id said... Closely understand inversely proportional thing.. And understand Did you gave the correct answer to what said???? You just said some missing mass concept and didn't answer to anything..

    Look, Something which suites to one Phenomena doesn't mean that that theory is correct..If it lacks in something else... Done... Theory is wrong.. proven already that your theory is wrong..So why extent discussion????
     
  18. ash64449 Registered Senior Member

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    Really right,,I was actually mentioning this one!!!!
     
  19. ash64449 Registered Senior Member

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    Hey Gravitational aether,,, If your theory can explain other phenomena and there is a vital strong disagreement in another case,that is enough to prove that your theory is wrong.....
     
  20. ash64449 Registered Senior Member

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    Hey,You have invented something???!!! What is it??? Can i see it????
     
  21. gravitational_aether Banned Banned

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    What is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the Solar System? Are you suggesting it is particles of matter which exist in quantities less than in any vacuum artificially created on Earth are able to push back and exert inward pressure toward the Solar System which causes the magnetic field to pile up?

    You aren't able to understand particles of matter exist in quantities too few to push back and exert inward pressure toward the Solar System?

    Create a football stadium sized vacuum. It has one particle of matter in it. Pass a magnetic field through it. Send Voyager through it. How is that one particle of matter going to push back and exert pressure toward the magnetic field causing it to pile up?

    It can't.

    It is not the particles of matter which exist in quantities less than in any vacuum artificially created on Earth which are pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the Solar System.

    It is the interstellar medium which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the Solar System.

    The interstellar medium is the aether.

    It is the aether which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the Solar System.

    It is the aether displaced by the Solar System which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the Solar System.
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect#Vacuum_energy

    "a "field" in physics may be envisioned as if space were filled with interconnected vibrating balls and springs, and the strength of the field can be visualized as the displacement of a ball from its rest position"

    A 'field' in physics is space filled with aether and the strength of the field is the displacement of the aether from its rest position.

    Each of the plates in the Casimir effect displace the aether. The displaced aether which exists between the plates is pushing back toward each of the plates which causes the aether displaced by each of the plates which exists between the plates to offset. This aether is more at rest than the aether which is displaced by the plates which encompasses the plates. The reduced force associated with the aether which exists between the plates along with the displaced aether which encompasses the plates which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the plates causes the plates to be forced together.

    What occurs physically in nature in the Casimir effect is the same phenomenon as gravity.

    There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter. Aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter.

    Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
     
  23. RealityCheck Banned Banned

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    Sorry, mate! The book on complete and consistent t.o.e. will be coming out the first half of next year. But I will probably be publishing some papers before then, specifically on the gravity part, as well as certain other aspects which are of interest in their own right. But for the whole complete theory you will need to wait until then. I'm sorry, but I have said too much already. I don't want to spoil the surprises!

    I am withdrawing from internet posting to concentrate on getting everything done; so please do not take it amiss if I do not come back to respond to you (or anyone else) over the coming weeks.

    Thanks for your own (and also others') contributions to the open discourse which I have been privy to here. Much appreciated; and that goes for everyone of genuine intent for the sake of science and humanity.

    Cheers...and until we speak again, good luck, good thinking and enjoy your discussions, ash64449, everyone!
     

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