Why Pick a Fight With Canada?

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Tiassa, Oct 22, 2014.

  1. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    No, Really, Why Canada?

    See, that's the thing I don't get. What does anybody stand to gain from picking a fight with Canada?

    Be well, Ottawa. The world waits with its greatest hopes.
     
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  3. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Why would any one want to cause harm to Canadians? God never created a more good natured hard working people. Maybe someone got tired of the word hey, hey?
     
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  5. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Ottawa.
     
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  7. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Anyway: Canada is party to the Western coalition opposed to Islamic terrorism. (You ask: "Why pick a fight with Canada?", so this perspective has driven your inquiry.) It has engaged against the same worldwide. The government of Canada is currently also Conservative. As a target, Canada is relatively soft : few police, little army, a populace unused to violence and armed conflict. Islamism seems to vary in objective regarding violence: ideologically, the death of non-Muslims would be "reason enough" to do whatever might harm such people. That being said, there is currently no evidence that the attack was by Islamists - of whatever group or axis - although I suppose I should mention that heard on CBC that one of the attackers was on a list of "radicalised" individuals and there was apparently terrorism-related "chatter" online. So it's possible. Terror is the object of terror, to whatever end. So why not Canada?
     
  8. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    A soldier was shot and killed at the Canadian War Memorial, then a gunman burst in an exit-door at the Parliament Building about a block away, blew past the guards at the door, and was engaged and shot by Parliament's Sargeant at Arms (a former RCMP officer) further inside the building. They say about 30 shots were fired, which sounds like a lot, but maybe not if officers were converging from all directions. The attacker was shot and I'm assuming killed. I don't know whether any additional people were hit. There are cell-phone videos on TV of security men in body armor with guns drawn running through the echoing marble corridors of Parliament.

    Apparently the MPs and the PM were all in the building, having meetings. There were tourists in the building too. By all accounts it was chaos, with bullets flying and people running in all directions. Cabinet ministers were sheltering in place in their offices.

    It isn't clear whether there was only one shooter. It sounds like it probably was just one, but the Canadians are taking precautions and looking for more. They aren't saying much at the moment. Unconfirmed reports of another shooter at Rideau Centre, a shopping mall nearby, it may be a false-alarm. People in downtown Ottawa being told to stay inside and away from windows. The US embassy is locked down.

    This comes one day after a self-radicalized jihadist in Quebec ran over two soldiers with his car, killing one, then was shot and killed himself by Quebec police after a chase.

    It's going to be very interesting to learn who the dead(?) shooter turns out to be.
     
  9. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed it will be. It will be interesting to know if this was a coordinated organized attack or a lone wolf. My guess is lone wolf.
     
  10. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    The dead Parliament building shooter has been identified as 32 year old Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, a Canadian-born Muslim convert. He apparently was already on the Canadian security services' radar, had been designated a 'high risk traveller' and already had his passport revoked. Reportedly he had a criminal history in Montreal (drug sales) and in Vancouver (robbery).

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ier-standing-guard-National-War-Memorial.html

    The similarity between this story and that of the individual who ran over the soldiers in Quebec with his car a day earlier is striking. No word yet on if they were associates, or whether this guy was more of a lone-wolf who was maybe inspired by reading about what they other guy did.
     
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  11. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Isn't it funny birds of a feather tend to flock together. Criminal history, robbery, illicit drug sales, oh he fits in nicely with his fellow terrorist fanatics.
     
  12. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    Here's another story on Zehaf-Bibeau, with a photo of this wonder, a pretentiously bad-ass Muslim terrorist pose that CBC says was taken from an ISIS tweet and that the police have verified is indeed him:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...r-had-criminal-record-in-quebec-b-c-1.2809562

    If he was communicating with ISIS, that's likely how Canadian security learned about him and why they designated him 'high risk'.
     
  13. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Every country has its share of violent disgruntled loners who feel their own society has abandoned and betrayed them, and they'd probably just as easily choose to join a Ninja clan if such an option were available to them. So along comes a group like ISIS, gives them a sense of divine heroic purpose just like the comic book superheros they read about as kids, and they get inspired enough to finally try something stupid. From all the evidence I've seen so far, ISIS had no more to do with these attacks than the millions of other stupid propagandists trolling the web and promoting or excusing violent Jihad. The only thing that worries me is whether Canadian security laws and procedures are up to date, considering one of these terrorists was already on police and intelligence services' radars.
     
  14. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    One of the most disturbing aspects of ISIS is their ability to target very young people, teenagers even, and convert them so easily.

    As one Australian couple found out this past week, when their missing 16 year old (apparently went fishing and never returned home, reports were filed, and he was never found) turned up on TV, holding a gun and claiming he was going to kill people in the name of ISIS. Teenagers are being stopped at airports repeatedly, apparently trying to fly to the Middle East to join ISIS. One Australian expert likened the recruitment of these children to how paedophiles attract and lure children away from their homes:

    And he may have a point.

    They are targeting vulnerable people online and I would imagine possibly in the criminal justice system itself. Selling a radicalised religion as the ticket out of prison or bad behaviour or a run of bad luck and selling it to criminals like this fellow(s) in Canada seems to be how these people operate. People do not become radicalised by themselves. Someone is selling it to them and this is an ongoing process. Prisoners are ripe for the picking. Desperate people in desperate situations often are. With the power of suggestion, possible comments about redeeming one's self by committing such an act, selling the us vs them scenario, who knows?

    Sadly, Canada is experiencing what many in the Middle East have been experiencing. The malady spreads. The dangers of such influence and the way in which they are able to sell themselves to young and/or desperate people is a cause for concern and sadly, I think Canada is the latest example. ISIS do not need bombs or bullets against those fighting to stem their spread in the Middle East. They are able to convert too many young and/or desperate people to retaliate.
     
  16. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    Why?

    Ask yourself, if another country finances military forces to destroy your home country and take over the main source of revenue oil. What would you do?
    If this country brings democracy with blood and corpses and destroyed cities and chaos for decades to come. What would you do?
    If this country's citizens are being lied to and deceived about the truth. What would you do?

    Why pick a fight with Canada? Why pick a fight with USA? Why pick a fight with Australia?

    Because these countries have killed millions of people in their wars for democracy/anti-WMD/tyrannical anti-West leaders/etc and still continue to deceive its own citizens about their "good" intentions in those countries.
     
  17. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    Good natured? Canada has invested money and its own troops into helping USA gain control of resources of Libya/Iraq/etc..
    Canada want to become a superpower and gain control of the Arctic as well, by making claims to lands it does not own or has any business to be in.

    Good natured honest people usually refers to people who don't go finance military death operations overseas to push their companies agendas.

    The reality of this terrorist attack however is that West wants Canada to invest more in its anti-ISIS fight. Such a terrorist attack works greatly for USA, Canadians will support their government investing money as a result of this attack into fighting ISIS. Just what USA wants, very very convenient. Too conveniently, staged, to be precise.

    http://news.ubc.ca/2014/10/21/canada-joins-the-fight-against-isis/

    Canada is pulling almost the same "show them threat to cause them to fear, to finance their cause" deal that Sweden pulled off with the "Russian submarine found" headlines in its waters just recently.
     
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  18. Landau Roof Registered Senior Member

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    Why pick a fight with Canada? Because Canada's a big wuss. Hey Canada! I have never liked maple syrup and your bacon is shaped stupid.

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    Bring it!
     
  19. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Remember the last time the US went to war with Canada?

     
  20. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Oh yes, you mean claims to Arctic? Under international law no country can claim the Arctic. The United States was the first country to reach the North Pole and plant a flag. The US was also first to send a submarine to the North Pole. And many nations have explored the Arctic and until oil was discovered Mother Russia was not one of them. Russia is a relative new comer to the region. It wasn't until 2007 Putin sent a bathosphere to the North Pole with a Russian flag to assert Putin's claim...kinda late.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_claims_in_the_Arctic
     
  21. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Politics. It's a feelgood, egocentric attack. No organization claimed responsibility, and this is looking more and more homegrown. And a purely domestic situation would be for the best from the perspective of radicalists abroad.

    (Edit note: Correct syntax error.)
     
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  22. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    It's looking like a lone wolf, a frustrated jihadist who was a denied a travel visa to fight with extremists on the other side of the globe.

    Unfortunately, these events are normally copied by copycats. So in the weeks and months ahead it is likely we will see copycats. Last evening a gentleman decided to jump the White House fenced and became dog food.
     
  23. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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