Denial of Evolution VII (2015)

I'm sure if people are deleting your posts, it's not ROM(Read Only Memory).

You need to broaden your horizons.

 

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What "other" stuff precisely?

 

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Evolution has nothing to do with how man acts.

 

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i disagree, the entire periodic table is a listing of the elements.

this is why i consider computers an incorrect analogy.

i'm not arguing for a god.

i don't see how you can make that statement.
did you interview each and every one of them to find out?

don't forget, religious nuts are indeed the balls of god.

 

Thanks for pointing that out.

 

The periodic table is a listing of elements but not of atoms.

All Young Earthers by definition are ignorant (of the facts) so I don't need to interview them all.

 

uh, have i gotten off at the wrong stop?
what are you talking about with ". . . if people are deleting your posts . . ."?
if you are talking about the xbox then yes, deletable material would probably be stored on a HDD or in EAROM (electrically alterable ROM)

and you need to understand that while computers are indeed remarkable, they aren't "all that".
they are essentially as smart as a row of light switches.
hard to believe, isn't it.

 

i quoted your post 510, you can't see all that other stuff that is included?
my browser shows your post 510 to be a single line of words.
my post 515 shows that to be 15 lines of words and blank lines.
you can't see that?

 

You accused the Staff of deleting your posts, don't you remember? It would be impossible for this forum to work if it was stored in ROM.

I understand computers very well, I too have written millions of lines of code(I hope you left useful comments in your code Cris

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), always build my own computer and deal with A.I on a daily basis, so do you. Spell check anyone?

 

You obviously quoted the wrong post.

 

I agree, for now.

 

Most people would agree that computers are extremely useful. If humans have the ability to create a computer why didn't an ancient Egyptian create one?

The answer is that it took a long series of other small discoveries and realizations over time about how the world operated to get to that stage. That evolutionary series of events had not reached an appropriate state at the time of ancient Egypt. The power and scope of computer abilities continue to advance over time, there is no end in sight.

But only within an evolutionary framework of moving from simplicity to increasing complexity. Man's intelligence is merely a component in that process and is not the initiator, or creator. We consistently build on what has gone before, making small incremental changes each time, we have never created anything complex from scratch - we are not creators, but merely a component in an ongoing evolutionary process regarding technology.

Man is not independent of his surroundings or the effects of discoveries over time. I wrote code because computers couldn't do it at that time. As time proceeded we now have programs that are code generators of other programs. Computers will at some point in the near future exceed human abilities and have already in many respects. Original creativity by computers is an inevitability, and human intelligence as part of computer evolution will become redundant.

The modern electronic computer began its evolution in the 1940s and has been doubling in power approximately every 12-18 months ever since and that trend doesn't appear to have an end in sight. If man was really a creator why doesn't he simply skip forward 50 years and create the computer that would be appropriate for that time? He can't since he is intimately tied to and is part of the evolutionary process of computer development progression.

God's are often quoted as being a creator as if something can be created, but we have absolutely no precedent or experience of anything complex of having ever been created from scratch. All we know from physics is that everything, matter/energy, is either converted or transformed from one type to another, and complexity always arises from preceding simplicity - evolutionary processes rule everything. And man did not create the computer, he is merely a synergistic component of its evolutionary development.

In essence there is no precedent for inventing a creator god or any need for one to exist. One could argue there had to be a beginning, but why? There cannot have been a beginning since if there was a time when nothing existed then there would have been nothing to start the beginning. And the invention of a god as the starter doesn't move the argument forward since that would require an explanation of how that god began.

 

I'll quote your whole post as it requires attention. It is one of the best posts I've read. I agree with most of what you say, the rest would result in a pointless debate as you've made your choice and you're a stubborn man, in a good way.

See Cris, Jesus didn't come for people like you(I bet you are a nice bloke, and generally don't break the law). He came for the people who were mindless rapists, murderers, even drug dealers.

 

have you been drinking with bells again?
talk about something coming out of left field.
i thought we left this about 4 or 5 pages ago.

then you must know that all a computer does is sit there, waiting for you to tell it what to do.
and it will be there a billion years from now STILL waiting.
running the same lines of code over, and over, and over, and . . . well, you get the picture.

 

I tend to remember what people say, and if they trip up I sometimes point it out.

Read what Cris explained in his last post, he says it as it is.

 

The evolution of the computer is a manifestation of its available environmental contributors and resources - human intelligence is simply an available resource for its evolutionary progress. It is an excellent analogy to biological evolution that again only progresses depending on its available environmental resources and contributors. Given the correct raw resources, conditions and environment, life was always an inevitability.

Elements when combined or come into contact randomly through environmental forces, geology, wind, water, etc, generate a vast array of reactions and create powerful attractive and repulsive forces. A simple study of the periodic table looking at how element classes in a vertical row reveal similar and different properties gives the beginning student some wonderful insights to how chemistry and latter biological molecules form and react. Just the shape of some molecules with just very slight atomic differences generate vastly different results.

So day 1 chemistry 101 - take the explosive metal sodium and combine with the poisonous gas chlorine and the result is table salt. Who would have guessed that. It is so not obvious how so many elements and molecules react and combine to form amazing features and properties - that life is a result should not be a surprise, and isn't to the many who study such disciplines.

From these basic understandings and experiences comes the realization of how biological evolution of life is quite easily seen as inevitable.

The chess machine was not designed to adapt. And was not a good example of machine intelligence. It simply used massive raw processing power to examine all possibilities to an end game and then reacted appropriately to any move given it - it simply picked the move it had already seen as a winning game it had already played out. To the uninitiated it appeared to be clever but really it was very crude. This was an illusion of machine intelligence and does not represent any type of breakthrough in true machine intelligence. It was really just a dumb machine but processing very fast.

Similarly the jeopardy machine "watson" took a similar approach, but this time used another powerful feature of computers - data storage and information retrieval. This again is a not a good example of intelligence only the illusion. The value might be that in the near future we could plug such a resource into a machine/human brain interface and have direct access to the excellent data storage and retrieval power offered.

The ability to deduce and predict based upon inadequate data is a strength of human intelligence that computers cannot do well yet. More importantly we can do it efficiently. The human brain uses just a few watts of power and remains relatively cool and is contained in a small container (our skull), whereas Watson was using kilowatts and produced massive heat and required a room to be housed.

 

i don't know if it still applies, but processing power used to follow moores law.
theoretically we could go all the way down to molecules.
at that point, the manufacturing process will probably change to a chemical base instead of a "photolithographic" one.

this, in combination with distributed computing, makes for a very interesting concept.
if computers ever figure out how to encrypt their code . . .

computers beat humans with that behemoth that called itself eniac.

i can't see how computers can create anything.
the designs from my program are certainly unique, but the computer didn't create them.
they were created by a formula the program uses.
some of these designs i will never see again
fractals are another area where creativy might be assumed.
again, the computer is solving an equation.
anyway, it's a tantalizing question.

yeah, that's it, moores law.
i didn't know if we hit the wall yet.
there HAS to be a molecular limit though, i don't think we can get any smaller than a molecule.
OTOH, we have the concept of optical computers.

 

Molecular limits aren't an issue since parallel processing fixed that. That's why new laptops/PCs etc all come now with multi-core processors - instead of a faster single processor you can get more power from having multiple slower processors. This ultimately leads to simpler and more efficient processing since instead of multiple apps time-sharing the same processor, the apps often have their own dedicated core to run on.

The human brain is an excellent example. It has some 100-200 billion neurons, where each neuron behaves like a small microprocessor, each taking multiple inputs and generating a single output. Neurons fire on average about 300Hz, which is very slow compared to modern computers, but 200 billion of them operating in parallel creates a total processing capacity of some 60,000 GHz - or about 30,000 times more powerful than the average laptop.

Quantum computing is the next leap forward with something of a departure from pure digital processing of bits to qubits and some degree of probabilistic computing. That coupled with massive parallel and multi-processing amounts to vastly more computing power than we have yet seen.