Proof of the existence of God?

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  1. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    This seems to be similar to some another Thread to which I Posted the following (paraphrase)
     
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  3. danshawen Valued Senior Member

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    'Boko Haram' Means: 'Western education is forbidden'. Boko Haram is a radicalized Nigerian Islamic group, evidently.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boko_Haram

    It is the same group that abducted 276 girls from Chibok, Borno in April 2014, over 200 of which are still captive (about 50 escaped). The State Department has posted a $7 million dollar bounty for information leading to the capture of their leader.
     
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  5. BrianHarwarespecialist We shall Ionize!i Registered Senior Member

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    2 thumbs down for Boka Haram I do not support the abduction of
    2 thumbs down for Boka Haram, I will not support any group that abducts children, in fact you have now put them on my radar " I will take out the trash, that little problem you got, that terrorist regime"...
     
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  7. pluto2 Banned Valued Senior Member

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    There is no proof for the existence of God because all the evidence really points to God's nonexistence.

    For starters, there is too much evil and injustice in this world for God to exist.

    The problem of evil cannot ignored.

    If God really exists and is really very powerful and loves everyone equally then he will not allow good people to suffer so much.

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    Also can God create an armor which he cannot destroy? If the answer is yes then it's possible for something to exist which defies God's power, which means God cannot be omnipotent. Now if the answer is no then there is something God cannot do, which again come to show that God cannot be omnipotent.
     
  8. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Six words: the self-generative freedom of reality.

    Not to mention freedom of man.

     
  9. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    So you're contrasting God with reality?
     
  10. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Man was given the freedom to choose. If there was no allowance for evil there could not be free will.
     
  11. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    So you're saying that God either doesn't have the power to change that reality or He doesn't have the love to want to change it.
     
  12. pluto2 Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Free will is an illusion. Evidence from neuroscience and genetics clearly shows that what we call "free will" is an illusion.

    You should go and read Sam Harris. Neuroscience is the death of free will.

    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/13/is-neuroscience-the-death-of-free-will/?_r=0

    Some people can't even choose what to eat for launch so are you telling that these people have free will?
     
  13. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Heisenberg Uncertainty but that's another story. Our choices define us. Now, while interacting objects are influenced by other interacting objects that are in their immediate vicinity, that does not mean choice is an illusion. Choice requires thought. Intentions can be pure or mixed. Physical freedom corresponds directly with mental freedom which equates to ultimate reality. And there are truly defining moments in our lives that choice plays a part in, even if that choice is being controlled by an external agent such as God or anything besides us.
     
  14. pluto2 Banned Valued Senior Member

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    My point was that we think we have free will but we don't actually have free will because our brain decides something before we do it.

    But the reason why we think we have free will is another story.

    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/13/is-neuroscience-the-death-of-free-will/?_r=0
     
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  16. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    There is no real choice in a universe that contains an omnipotent being.
     
  17. river

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    Disagree

    This omnipotent being is trying to understand its self. Hence inorder to do so must allow freewill to all intelligent beings.
     
  18. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Then he is be definition not omnipotent!?! This is known as an oxymoron.
     
  19. river

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    No

    This god is young, immature. Lacks knowledge and experience.
     
  20. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Technically it means he's not omniscient. But an omnipotent being could manipulate reality so that you could freely make the choice He wanted you to make.

    And why does he need us to understand Himself?
     
  21. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Then he is not omnipotent. You said he is all knowing (omnipotent) and also lacks knowledge. See the problem, or were you trying to be ironic?
     
  22. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    Then God's parents didn't raise God very well. That kid has some nasty temper tantrums.
     
  23. river

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    Omnipotent does not imply , maturity , knowledge and experience.

    This so called god is growing. Maturing.
     

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