The Bible. Myth or Reality?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Greatest I am, May 21, 2015.

  1. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    It's not simply a personal judgement, I have standards of evidence.
    Variations in natural laws do not constitute the supernatural.
    Because nothing else that is supernatural has ever been discovered.
    An infinite universe doesn't violate any laws of nature.
    My argument isn't that I'm assuming it's fictional. It could be true or it could be fiction. Given that there is no evidence for the Bible being historically accurate, and plenty of evidence that it isn't, I wouldn't give it any credibility as an accurate rendition of historical truth. Also, it's well known among scholars that ancient writers didn't let facts get in the way of a good story. They just didn't have the same attitude that modern writers do to separate fiction from non-fiction.
    Not an answer. Why do you believe one thing and not another?
    Me either. I'm saying there's no reason to believe it because it's only a book.
    Why do you believe it?
     
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  3. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    As I've said, I'm using your concept of God.
    On the contrary, I think it would be nice if God did exist.
    As I've said, I'm using the same methodologies that I would use to detect anything. I have asked you what methodologies I should be using. If there are any, I'll be happy to try them.
     
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  5. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Really!
    Nothing to do with God.



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    DL
     
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  7. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    No you're not.

    God does exist, and you deny His attributes.
    You don't want God to exist.

    Why would you do that?
    Do you know what spirit means?

    jan.
     
  8. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Yet scriptures are clear that God decides who will believe and who will not.

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  9. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Strange that we have laws against just sitting back and watching evil or crime happen.

    Seems that your God is not nearly as moral as secular law.

    Would you sit back and let a rape happen the way your God does?

    If so then you are as vile, in terms of morals, as your God.

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  10. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    I'm trying to. You don't seem very clear yourself on what your concept of God is.
    I'm not denying anything. I'm trying to pin down what you think God's attributes are.
    You don't know what I want. You can believe I don't want God to exist, if that makes you happy, but it isn't true.
    You should stop assuming that I don't want to find God and just honestly answer the questions.
    Tell us what you think it means and we'll go on from there.
     
  11. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I wouldn't go looking for it in the first place.

    jan.
     
  12. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Jesus said, "Seek and ye shall find." How do you expect to find something without looking for it?
     
  13. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Are you kidding me?

    Do you accept that God is pure spirit?

    That's not how you come across.

    Why would you look for God the same way you would look for pigs?
    Do you think God is a material being?

    I think you should find out for yourself. If as you say, you want God to exist, then here is a good place to start.
    Let me know what you think.

    jan.
     
  14. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    It is how you seek that matters.

    Oh! You're quoting the Bible.
    Well how about this. In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth.

    jan.
     
  15. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    No, I'm not. How about adjusting your attitude and stop making assumptions about me?

    If somebody asks you to clarify, clarify. What, exactly is your concept of God?
    How could I? We haven't established what "pure spirit" is, nor have we established that God exists. You might as well ask if I accept that flying pigs are pure flerbend.
    I keep asking you, How else?
    If there is any such thing as a non-material being, how would we detect it? Be specific.
     
  16. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Which is why I keep asking you, How do you seek? Be specific.
    You're the one who (supposedly) believes the Bible. If you do, you shouldn't be contradicting Jesus and expecting me to find something without looking for it.
     
  17. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    The Supreme Cause of ALL Causes. I'm quite sure I've written this at least twice in both the threads you and I are discussing in.
    This is my working definition, and has become my concept.

    You mean you haven't put God, pure, spirit, into google and see what comes up?
    I'm surprised. You must be unwilling. That being the case there's nothing I can do.

    I understand that, but why would you look for God in that way, unless you thought God was material.
    I would start looking at writings about God, and study scriptures. In this way you would have some understanding of the difference between God, and pigs. It could be a start. Let me know how you get on.

    Spiritually. The very component you have no idea of.

    jan.
     
  18. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Sideshow,

    C.S.Lewis makes for a good read.

    jan.
     
  19. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    We've been through why that's unworkable: If everything needs a cause, there can't be an uncaused cause and you've defined God out of existence. If anything doesn't need a cause, there's no logical need for a God. Your concept is too wishy-washy to be of any use.
    Why would I consult Google to find out what you think?
    But you're the one who's being evasive. You seem to be either unwilling or unable to discuss the topic honestly.
    When there's only one way to look, how can you do anything else? If there is another way to look for God, for God's sake tell us what it is.
    Been there, done that.
    So how would I distinguish between the Bible and Animal Farm?
    How do you expect anybody to use a methodology that they have no idea of?

    Come on. At least try to make an honest effort. All you're saying is that you have to believe before you can believe. That's circular nonsense.
     
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  20. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Been there, done that. Good fiction, unconvincing theology.
     
  21. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I'm afraid there's not much I can do for you.
    But if something comes up....

    jan.
     
  22. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    That's what I've been saying: there's no substance to your meanderings.
     
  23. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    So that God is not the God that you believe in? Then why do so many believe in the Old Testament with the God found there? To many Gods make people wonder which is the real one wouldn't you think?
     

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