Gravitational Lensing : Eddington Experiment

Xelasnave.1947, since it seems that you think that "Hypothesis, theory and testability" are somehow "the opposite of speculative", I will Post these Links :
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/speculation :

Note the Synonyms in the ^^above quoted^^...

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/speculation:

Xelasnave.1947, I supply these Links so that you may understand how I use the word "Speculation" - I use it with the full English Defined meaning, period.

Ergo : I do not consider speculative to be the opposite of "Hypothesis, theory and testability".

 

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Dear paddoboy.
Thank for taking the time to put together your post.
GR does not need an eather.
But there may be a physical background to space time.
I often ponder what "particles or energy" pass through seemingly empty space.
I can construct ruff model that makes me wonder how you could fit everything in and thats before you realise time needs to fit.
My point is from a simplist level I have no problem describing space time as a math model which describes a mind independant reality we can at this point only speculate upon.
A formulation of a quatum gravity theory (which presumably will take GR in toe) will add reality to space time perhaps.
Hope your shoulder has recovered.

 

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Dear DMOE
Thank for taking the time to help me understand your position.
I feel I irritate you please dont let that happen.
I feel I now have licience to speculate but I wont.
Keep looking up.

 

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paddoboy, would you be so kind as to Cite : "dmoe who has said he rejects the BB".
If you cannot Cite/Post a Direct quote of "dmoe who has said he rejects the BB", I request that you withdraw the Ad Hominem/Slander, and ask for an apology.

 

Are you denying you told me a while back that you did not accept the BB?
Let me tell you in no uncertain terms you certainly did.
And no, I can't cite the particular post it was a while ago.
But if you want to tell us all now I was wrong, and you do accept the BB, then certainly I will withdraw it...happy to do so!

 

Xelasnave.1947, no reason to use capital letters...dmoe is just fine...
No reason to "feel" that you "irritate" me, nothing on a Forum could do that...
So, I will be sure to not "let that happen".

Xelasnave.1947, you should feel free to speculate all that you want to, it is an open and free Forum.

 

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dmoe, In reality after a moment thinking, I have decided you are not worth the time and effort.
The post you find offencive [

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So, paddoboy, which was it? "dmoe who has said he rejects the BB", or "...did not accept the BB"?
I know exactly what I stated, and in which Post I Posted said statement. It was in response to a question you asked, and I explicitly did not state that I "rejects the BB".

So, again : If you cannot Cite/Post a Direct quote of "dmoe who has said he rejects the BB", I request that you withdraw the Ad Hominem/Slander, and ask for an apology.

 

You do not need to apologise to me for anything:

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Take it easy!

 

Quite petty dmoe actually, but as I said, the time and effort and all that?
You have a good day ya here!
Nice to know you do not accept it though: It reveals a lot.

 

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I agree the ether is superfluous and not at all evident.
Calling the spacetime continuum an ether was in an exchange I had with Schmelzer.

 

Dear paddoboy
His paper has to drop ether. I have not read his stuff inclusion of the word means very few will ever read it. It may be what the world is waiting for but really an ether. It will remain a secret. Someone may steel it, rename it, and take the Noble. I cant judge what I wont read and he has interesting claims that need time. I will wait I hope he makes it particularly if he took my marketing ideas and used a new suggested by me name.
Starting to rain here

 

So, after around 700 posts you are closing in to understand the point, fine, better late than never.

Let me retry explainig you the point above.....What is the nature of the spacetime around 'Lensing Object' ? It is curved, as clear from the fig also.....And what is the nature of the extrapolated line from Lensing object to Lensed Object Plane? Straight Euclidean ? So the point was how in the curved spacetime we can have extrapolated straightline, the extrapolation should also be on the geodesic only (that is curved, near the lensing object).........

If you infer from the above quote of mine that there are no straightlines in the GR, then thats the comprehension issue at your end.

 

What is this ? the bold part (bold is mine). Paddoboy, would you like to commet on Xel's above statement in bold ?

Why in your opinion his paper (Schmelzer) has to drop ether, if you have not read his paper, which peer reviewed and published, then what makes you think that he should rop ether. And how do you know in which form he has used the ether in his paper?

 

I have all the confidence in the world that PhysBang, understands far more then your pretentious persona will ever understand.
I'll let him put you back into reality though.
Let me retry explainig you the point above.....What is the nature of the spacetime around 'Lensing Object' ? It is curved, as clear from the fig also[/QUOTE]
Yes you get a point for that

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The line of sight to the apparent image that the eye detects.

Just as I said: An apparent image as interpreted by the eye.

You avoid the gist of this thread: Let me educate you again.
[1] Gravitational lensing is an effect caused by curved spacetime:
[2] Other effects, if any like refraction are able to be allowed for and adjustments made by the relative experts.
[3]Light follows geodesics in this curved spacetime.
[4] Curved spacetime is an integral part of and a postulate of GR.

If you are still unable to understand those facts, you most certainly have a comprehension problem.