Degrees of Misogyny

Quit bossing me around.

 

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You think you could manage to be anything other than a detriment to whatever discussion you touch?

Seriously, you could try addressing the issues. So far your only contribution to this thread is to advocate sexual harassment, even so far as to include rape. You know, competitive strategies; throw her off her game to get what you want.

And, really, your best response to these questions is proselytizing Buddhism?

Like I said, quit changing the subject.

 

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You obviously can post in it - I quoted you, first the one sentence, then the contrasting one, laying the "dichotomy" out in your own words. You posted those two sentences - whether they represent thought or not I guess I couldn't say, but they are at least proof of typing.

Here, try again:
-> That is: are you opposed, or are you not opposed, to societal measures against street robbery in the absence of a complete societal solution to the problem of human violence in general?

Because the matter is muddled in your posts. This indicates support for "treating symptoms", by calling it necessary:

This indicates opposition to "treating symptoms", by describing it as meaningless:

 

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When They Cry

Hey, Ophiolite, how about this:

• Angry member writes judgmental post based including insulting demand that one not give a detailed response.

• Other member accommodates.

• Angry member dashes off angry PM to call the other names.

↳ The judgmental post in point one is based on assertion of falsehood.​

Whatever it takes to call people "a nasty piece of work", I guess.

Tell me, though, Ophiolite: Do you feel better for having done so?

So here's a hint: When you want to pitch a temper tantrum↱ on behalf of a person "no longer in a position to defend themselves", so that you might denounce a "rather despicable act of a bully and a coward", it would probably help you look a bit less ridiculous if your complaint was true. For instance, if that person can answer for herself, but does not want to, and receives adjudication aiming to fulfill her wish, it is absolutely bogus to try and pass that off as "a person who is no longer in a position to defend themselves".

You don't get to feel bullied. Not when self-righteous, bullying dishonesty is your gig.

†​

Think of it this way, Ophiolite: Have you ever watched a politician or pundit put on such a bad show that even though you don't like them you are writhing in vicarious embarrassment? And what do you do about that? To the one, this political opponent is an asshole; to the other, he's also a human being, and on that level basic human sympathy, being sympathetic, can often only find vicarious embarrassment as a compassionate connection.

Think of it this way: If you wish to commiserate with mtf, do you really think you would be able to construe those posts as useful? Are you really so naïve that a con artist can walk in the door, attempt the same swindle you threw out of your shop yesterday, bawl about how mean you are when you turn him away, and reasonably expect he might win their sympathy?

There is a block of three posts from earlier this week; I would refer you to these:

• #572 (to mtf)↑

• #573 (to Billvon, part 1)↑

• #574 (to Billvon, part 2)↑​

You might notice, such as we see with mtf, that presented with direct issues and inquiries, our neighbor simply cannot be bothered to acknowledge those aspects.

In the two-part reply to Billvon, I document and explain the problem with simply ignoring the evidence in favor of an appeal to base conspiracism.

In either case, both apply.

What you're covering, Ophiolite, is the silencing of women. They tell us what the problem is, others tell them why they are wrong about their own experiences. To wit, disrupting a woman in order to hit on her. Women say stop. DaveC says this is her obligation. Bowser says it's enough if she catches his fancy. Schmelzer outlines the rules for properly rejecting. By the time we get to that, the invalidation is clear; what happens when women reject such advances is exactly irrelevant to these chauvinists' argument. Even you, Ophiolite↱, are in on it: "In each instance I have the option to ignore them completely, tell them to ****-off, give a polite yet non-committal reply, or seek to extend the conversation further." Women tell us what's wrong, and you tell women what to think. You know, because you know, don't you? Better than they do? When it comes to any given woman's existential condition and living experience, you know her life better than she does, don't you?

Our neighbor mtf goes even further, arguing that sexual harassment is a competitive strategy, even endorsing bullying a woman into consent.

So it's true: As you sit here advocating for bullies, you do not get to cry about feeling bullied.

Something about a nasty piece of work goes here.

 

And if, in your mind, you are unable to understand how one can and should simultaneously work both on the microlevel and the macrolevel, then ... then I don't know what to say.

 

Maybe someday you will take your head out of your romantic ass.
Your issue isn't with me; it's with the nature of romantic love.

 

Are you even capable of following this thread from post to post? I admit, I had considered your non sequitur style deliberate, but I really do owe you the courtesy of considering whether or not there is some disability I ought to be accommodating.

It's well enough to strike romance from fancy. After all, even still, your only contribution to this thread so far is to advocate sexual harassment, even so far as to include rape. You know, competitive strategies; throw her off her game to get what you want. And in a really perverse way, it actually is good to know that trusting, loving, romantic relationships just aren't on your menu. It's a helpful thing to know about people in some circumstances.

I wonder how many posts before you actually try to answer the issue?

Not that anyone will really bother counting; the outcome is pretty squarely expected.

So surprise us.

 

Read my lips:

I
AM
NOT GOING
TO DEFEND
THINGS
YOU
MERELY
IMAGINE
I
SAID.

 

Ah, why do I bother.

 

Not wanting people to be raped is not identical to wanting some mythology of romantic love for everyone. That you can't see that is more evidence that you really can't understand the big picture.

 

Again, read my lips:

I
AM
NOT GOING
TO DEFEND
THINGS
YOU
MERELY
IMAGINE
I
SAID.

 

You are also not going to defend the things you said, given your history. I hope you're making some other dude in a basement proud.

 

Nothing is as futile as a battle of wills over the internet.

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You mean you don't have the will to respond?

 

Is there a difference between street harassment and a compliment?​

 

Depends on the situation. Often, the person offering the comment thinks it is a compliment, and the person receiving it sees it as harassment.

 

Those two posts are on exactly the same logical level. They indicate a contradiction in your thinking, at the level of "treating symptoms" (a common - in fact the most common - way in which the wise and enlightened handle disease and disorder).

Tell you what: I'll call you on the phone a few times a day at random, text and email you at intervals, show up at your job daily, hang out by your front door and your kids's playground sometimes, stop you occasionally on the sidewalk and in the grocery aisle, and so forth,

for years,

to give you compliments. And they will be well-phrased, politely worded compliments - such as how nice you look when you smile, and how much better things could be if you smiled more. Nothing like the catcalls under discussion above, the outright abuse.

Then you tell me.

 

A compliment is a polite expression of praise or admiration. When is it impolite to compliment someone on their appearance?

 

What you're describing is stalking and harassment. What Bells' is describing is a simple onetime compliment.