Ghost photobombs

The picture I get has something funny going on in the upper left corner??

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It's just a damn chain link fence James. And no, there's no sheet of hard plastic in front of it.

 

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I find it curious that the subject appears to be wearing such an uncommon outfit. A light-coloured suit with a very dark shirt?

Perhaps the apparition is inverted?

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Someone commented that it looks like a kid in a high school prom suit circa 1970's. I agree. They should check and see which students died around that time. Perhaps on prom night.

 

Dont be negative.(wink)
Alex

 

Could be.
Zooming-in, the subject seems to be wearing a red shirt? With the 'suit' collar up. Look at the eyes...dark glasses? Stance suggesting... Elvis?
And, we know for a fact there is no hard plastic sheet involved, because MR was there...

Also, subject smaller than ladies in distance..How tall was Elvis?

Is that a politically correct thing to say?

 

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Airing the old brain cells?
You should of taken some of your own pics, given you were there.

I'm not JR, so I won't be forever saying the same things to you MR.
Not worth it. Bye

 

Light is a measurable phenomenon, it has an effect on the material world, which makes it material. Everything is material, nothing non-material exists.

 

You're confusing material with physical. Material pertains only to things made of matter.

 

Everything that exists is physical and material. Otherwise no evidence would be possible of it. Light is measured in photons, which hit film or a light sensor and produce a reaction. If ghosts are immaterial, they couldn't produce a reaction.

 

Whereas physical pertains to...?

Materialism and physicalism are views often taken to be synonymous within philosophy, and within science in particular. Some might be able to detail a difference but in most respects I would think the two are synonymous: material is that which pertains to matter; physical is that which is affected by the laws of physics. One could argue that matter is only one such thing that is affected by the laws of physics, with energy being example of another, but the two are equivalent (E=mc^2 etc).

If you wish to raise a difference, a distinction, please do and perhaps others will follow, or dispute the distinction - although probably best for the philosophy thread? I for one would use the two as synonymous, and take them to be so whenever I come across the terms.
Can you honestly say that you know and appreciate any difference in the terms when used?

 

Yes..I do make that distinction as does the dictionary. Material is made of matter, and physical is what can be measured and quantified. It's not rocket science.

The spectrum of the immaterial runs the full gamut from the physical immaterial like light, space, and time to the non-physical immaterial like consciousness, concepts, and mathematical laws. Ghosts occupy a position on this sliding scale, but lacking full knowledge of their nature, we can at best only speculate.

 

And in those dictionaries they will undoubtedly provide "material" as a synonym for "physical".
Heck, let's just pick the one that Google provides:

physical
adjective
2. relating to things perceived through the senses as opposed to the mind; tangible or concrete.
"the physical world"
synonyms: material, substantial, solid, concrete, tangible, palpable, visible, real, actual
"everything physical in the universe"

It's a wider and rather more complex matter (pun intended) than I think you give it credit for, especially when you start asserting that consciousness is non-physical and immaterial.

 

No.

 

Meh...who cares?

 

Indeed. Can we all agree now that - as with the Devil who can quote the Bible for his own purposes - dictionary definitions are too broad and general to serve as a solid point in a debate?

 

I think the cap says it all.
Alex

 

I call Humpty Dumpty on this

To be sure I was!' Humpty Dumpty said gaily as she turned it round for him. 'I thought it looked a little queer. As I was saying, that seems to be done right — though I haven't time to look it over thoroughly just now — and that shows that there are three hundred and sixty-four days when you might get un-birthday presents —'

'Certainly,' said Alice.

'And only one for birthday presents, you know. There's glory for you!'

'I don't know what you mean by "glory",' Alice said.

Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. 'Of course you don't — till I tell you. I meant "there's a nice knock-down argument for you!"'

'But "glory" doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument",' Alice objected.

When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master — that's all.


6. Humpty Dumpty
Through the Looking Glass, by Lewis Carroll

Via

http://sabian.org/looking_glass6.php

I recommend the whole book be read

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Humpty would not be the only one using that approach.. I will whistle and you can point.
Alex