Does God care about atheists

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Xelasnave.1947, Dec 1, 2017.

  1. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Stating you only deal with facts, while claiming the soul is a made up concept, before admitting you have not come across this subject matte, kind of defines your whole input in this discussion.

    I explained that your initial question, regarding Christianity, and how they view the soul, had nothing to do with basically understanding what the soul is.

    I have done, but all that comes up are books for sale, on the subject matter.
    Do you have a link?

    So how do you refer to your arms, legs, hair, and so on? Do say "my arm", "my beard", etc?
    Or don't you?

    Notice you said "I", got stuck, with a body. You couldnt escape the difference even if you wanted to. Let me know when you come to your senses.

    Alex. Really?
    So it's going g to be like that hey!

    This is why the subject of atheism, is so interesting. You literally reach a blockade, then the real motive comes out.

    I didn't say anything about getting a kick out of it. Is that a requirement for you?

    Are humans special, Alex?
    If yes, why?

    So lack of proof, and facts (as you see them), means something is made up?

    Really?

    Jan.
     
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  3. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Really? So soon into the discussion, you're already making judgements.

    It "Sounds like"?
    You got that "sound" from me saying common sense is one way to relate to God? Are you clairaudient?

    Okay.
    Good talk.

    Jan.
     
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  5. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Whoa! Are we at the precipice of a semantic conundrum?

    Is it safe to ponder that since you say atheists are without God, hence, they are also without common sense?
     
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  7. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I would have thought that the very phrase ''common sense'', gives no reason to assume anything other than what it actually says. So ponder if you must, but it was no way inspired by what was written by me.

    Why have you focused on this one, obvious point?
    Why not carry on, see where it leads.

    jan.
     
  8. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I see what you are driving at but I now have more facts than you have it seems given as you later say you havent got anywhere with a search.

    So now that I know more I say the soul is a made up concept and no evidence exists to suggest the soul is anything more than fairy tale stuff.

    Various humans have referred to the soul from as far back as ancient Eygpt but a doctor has yet to observe one and a scientist has yet to establish the notion is anything more than mythology.

    Unfortunately the way folk talk to themselves and about themselves offers no proof other than those who talk about ownership of their body have a peculiar approach motivated by a religious belief.

    And as the soul does not exist I guess that rips the gutz out of the rest of the supporting fairy tale.

    I refer to my questions earlier seeking comment upon atributes of the soul.

    But having read up on the concept of the soul it is interesting my sort of questions are never asked or addressed as the soul is left as a wishy washy ghost like make it up how you like entity that one fits into whatever religion you are aflicted with...yet I ask simple yet seemingly unanswerable questions like what does a soul look like, how do they move around, where do they hang out and how many are in existence.

    And of course as these questions are of a practical nature they will have no answers...
    Try wiki if you cant find anything it will be proof the subject is so trivial that it receives no mention.

    Try Jan I dont believe you cant find something on wiki...but then again wiki must be rather confrontational for you as it deals in fact and observations of custom, culture and religion from an observational view and that will never be kind to an individual belief.
    I can agree about my self talk but that does not mean you have established a soul.

    What I gather is you think the voice in your head is your soul.

    Fine if that is what you think but a study of the science may give you an understanding of our brain function that leaves no reasonable prospect available to suggest anything like a soul exists other than as a religious concept.

    I see now that you think you are offering evidence for the soul. OK.

    I get what you suggest I think but I reject your approach as it makes no sense unless you are religious and as I am not say your approach makes no sense to me...at all.

    Are you saying you find entertaining the fact another can hold a different opinion is somehow wrong.

    I try and understand how others think Jan but your approach is very interesting and every now and then I get a glimpse of how you see the world so it would be nice if you got to see the world from an atheist view point...but this comment you make about real motive has me confused.

    What do you imagine the real motive to be in your words.

    Thats how I took it...but you said some people not you.

    I am not concerned I dont know what the relevance was supposed to be with your original statement.

    Difference between humans and animals???


    Yes there is a small difference and large differences.

    Do animals have a soul?

    Yes and no.
    Yes because they are and no because they are not.

    Clearly you have difficulty in working out when something is made up like scriptures and various religious books.

    I sometimes fail to realise how debilitating that can be but unfortunately the condition appears very real.

    Why one chooses to recognise fiction when in a fairy tale yet not when presented in a religious book I still cant fathom.

    There are so many things that are just so wrong and uninformed recording of natural observation in religious text I wonder why folk do not instantly reject them...yet they dont.

    If you met a liar you would throw him out when you discover his first lie...but even when confronted with lie after lie in a religious text the fool we call a thesist is not convinced it is a book that can only beconsidered unreliable at best and nonsense if one is to be objective.

    Facts matter, proof of existence of made up characters is absolutely necessary if that character is being presented as real.

    Such approach is just as applicable to God as it is the easter bunny or santa.

    If it is real the facts will support the reality..

    There is an easter bunny..ok..show me one.

    Yes really.

    Alex
     
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  9. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Uh, If you know me so well could you at least say what I am pondering?

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  10. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    ^^^
    Some ways work better with some & other ways work better with others.
    Nothing works with Jan.

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  11. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    ^^^
    There is no such thing as common sense.

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  12. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    You blasphemer!
     
  13. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I can assure you I am pretty well convinced Jan is coming around to all the facts I present.

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    Alex
     
  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I note there has been some discussion going on about souls

    Thought I would chip in

    This wiki link is a good starting point I feel

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul

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    Couple of points

    I did skim through link so I might have missed it, but I did not see any reference to a physical aspect to the soul and even in the most ancient medical text I have read never seen any anatomical aspect of a soul described, nor any drawings

    When I first heard of a soul in Sunday school (don't laugh I did go) I put the location of the soul inside the heel part of the foot. I had no idea why until some years later it twigged I might have been confused with Achilles heel

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achilles'_heel

    There is reference to the soul being incorporeal mean without physical body but incorporeal also can refer to air and fire which do have a physicality, abet a very thin one

    Also debate about - do animals have souls - are souls mortal or immortal but these are side issues

    The modern con-man uses words like spirit or life force

    The closest I come to considering, as being the best candidate for the position of soul, is concessness

    Concessness ticks all the characteristics of the soul

    Problem is none of the characteristics survive death as characteristics are a process

    Giving the process of life a name, “soul”, would allow for the concept of some sort of existence after death

    The body dies, the soul looks around, packs up all your memories, hopes, dreams, loves and looses - in essence the essence of you - and heads off to heaven / hell (thought bubble - who gives directions to the soul? And is there any appeal system if the soul feels like something is not fair?)

    I'm done for now. Coffee time

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  15. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    That is so cute

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  16. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    And nice.

    Alex
     
  17. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    ^^^
    I never read or even heard anyone claim it necessarily retains ALL your memories, hopes, dreams, loves and looses. I would think it must retain X amount or it would not be you but if I get amnesia, will I no longer be me?

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  18. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    You don't believe in god yet here you are being a saint

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  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Very good question

    Making it up as I go along thinking of a answer

    You would still be you as you have always been you as your memories accumulated so I can see no problem with the reverse occuring

    You remain you if you loose your memories suddenly, amnesia - or slowly, Alzheimer's

    Interestingly does (or has the soul) the soul retain the memories you have lost (or in the process of loosing)?

    How would it be if you get to heaven

    Peter - Who are you?

    You - no idea

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  20. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I have worked it out.
    Folk like you and me dont need God because we are free of sin.
    Alex
     
  21. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    ^^^
    Sin is disobeying god so until some god gets up the courage to come out of hiding & show itself, everyone is free of sin.

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  22. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes if you want it to..
    The good thing is because its all made up you can set it up as you want.
    I think the soul is how you were when 25 years and it can fly at 1000 miles an hour and you can travel in space and you dont get hungry or sleepy.
    And if you dont think thats correct prove me wrong..it cant be wrong because I just told myself that and that was my soul talking not my body so it must be right.

    Alex
     
  23. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    OMIMG

    You have caught ...itis (he whoes name I cannot say)

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