why we need ghosts

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by birch, Feb 27, 2016.

  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Doesn't explain why the 4 rescue workers all heard the voice coming from inside the car.
     
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  3. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    We were talking about the physical evidence. I'm just pointing out that the actual source of the recording is unknown.
     
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  5. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Most cameras record what is actually present to them. That's how they work.
     
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  7. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, the sound is "actually present" but the camera has no way of knowing where it came from.
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    They didn't. By your own admission they heard the voice on a recording. Did the recording have a date and time? If it was the people inside the car, where they already dead when the voice asked for help?
     
  9. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    No..the 4 rescue workers heard the voice with their own ears when it happened. Inside the car the mother was dead and the baby was alive but unconscious. It's all on the videos.
     
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  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    MR:

    You weren't there either, so you don't know.

    Also, it's one thing to question somebody's interpretation of an experience. It's another to question the experience itself. Be careful you don't go mixing the two things up (Ha! Watch this piece of advice fly in one ear and out the other.)

    No. People regularly turn out to be wrong about all kinds of things. And human perception is notoriously unreliable.

    Because that's what it is. They get together, they come to a mutally-agreed interpretation of an experience. They tell a story. That's almost as far as we get from your cut-and-paste video.

    You keep insisting that I don't want to believe in ghosts. Would your evidence be more convincing if I did want to believe in ghosts? Is that what you're saying? How objective of you!

    Can't hear any voice there. There's some kind of unidentifiable noise.

    I do, or I wouldn't have asked. You should too, to make sure you're hearing what you think you're hearing. But you don't. Why is that? (Don't tell me. I know why.)

    How do you know?

    Juries and judges regularly find such evidence to be less than compelling, to give just one example. I wonder why.

    No, you have it backwards. You're the one making light of it. You're content to wallow in the superficial, constantly. You don't care to investigation anything properly. You're uninterested in whether evidence is reliable or not. Basically, you just believe whatever suits your preconceptions, no questions asked. God forbid you should ever find out anything solid about one of these cut-and-paste anecdotes. Who knows where that might lead?

    Projection, much?

    It's all cool as long as you follow the posting guidelines. I do find I constantly have to cut you a little slack to save you from autobans, but that's okay. I understand that you have a problem.
     
  11. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    Talking dog clips come to mind.
     
  12. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    They were there. That's why I go by what they say, not what you say.

    It's not an interpretation. When you see a full body apparition walk into a wall there is no room for interpretation. It's just an experience of the paranormal.


    People far more often turn out to be right about all kinds of things. Human perception is overwhelmingly reliable.

    All four rescue workers heard the voice. It's on the body cam. There's no denying it. It really happened.

    What you want should have nothing to do with evaluating the evidence. Ghosts either exist or they don't. Your preference on the matter shouldn't factor in at all.

    Ofcourse you can't. Human perception is notoriously unreliable.

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    Then go ahead and research all that and get back with us. We'll be waiting with bated breath.

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    Crimes are solved on eyewitness testimony every day.

    There's nothing superficial about evidence for the paranormal. It demonstrates the profound nature of our reality. And the evidence speaks for itself. There is nothing unreliable about it at all.
     
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  13. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    MR has a protecting angel, he has become an untouchable.
    BTW, MR are you possessed by some spirit or related to royalty? I notice you use the royal ''we'' alot. But, now I see it may be something to do with your problem.
     
  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Reality is not paranormal

    It appears to be so in your corner of the Universe

    Please replace our reality with my reality for accuracy

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  15. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I like to include all the lurkers out there who are reading this thread.
     
  16. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    ''All'', you can't speak for all lurkers, not every lurker is on your wavelength so to speak. What does it feel like to have a protecting angel?
    Anyway, I will let you get on with the thread and keep your type of lurker happy.
    Ps. Hello MR lurker buddies out there

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  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting concept, ghost voyeurism. Are we the observers of ghosts or are the ghosts observers of humans.
    Hard to tell who is which......

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    As a public service, I have isolated the TLDR version:

    "A Theory of Ghosts.

    Instead of a human soul left behind by a mortal body, I’ve begun to think that ghosts are more like temporal projections of emotion, or experience. Like a dusty slide passed in front of a projector, perhaps ghosts are more like holograms of something that once existed, sprung into action by one circumstance or another. The woman at the well, for example, is not so much something that was once a person, haunting a home. Instead, she is a manifestation of despair, an ultra-concentrated moment of sorrow that now exists in a strange in-between of time and space."

    Alas, this is not a theory.
     
  20. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. It ain't here.

    There's no good evidence that anybody has ever actually seen any such thing.

    Some people are uneducateable.

    All four workers told a tale about hearing a voice. There's some random-sounding noise on the body cam that may or may not be a voice. If it is a voice, who knows where it came from, or whose voice it is?

    Nobody has investigated this event to any degree. Why is that? I think they're (you're) afraid that the woo will go away if they take a proper look.

    Exactly. Go figure.

    Based on what you've brought to the table so far, they don't.

    It's your claim. You research it and get back to us if you ever find anything useful.

    And eyewitness testimony is shown to be unreliable every day.

    You've only ever brought the superficial to the table. Are you saying you have more?

    Reality is already profound enough. We don't need your fairies.

    It never does.

    Blinkers.
     
  21. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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  22. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Several people experiencing paranormal phenomena in an office trumps anything you can say about it because you weren't there. They have what they saw and heard. You have nothing.

    There's no good evidence you know what you're talking about. I trust what they say they experienced over what you say they didn't experience. You also have an agenda to disprove the paranormal and so are biased. They have no agenda whatsoever.

    All four workers describe hearing someone calling for help from the car. You can hear the cry for help on the body cam. That trumps anything you can claim about it.

    No investigation is needed. The event happened with 4 witnesses and body cam audio. There's nothing to be investigated.


    They're your questions not mine. Answer them yourself. Google should help you there.

    Eyewitness testimony solves thousands of crimes across the world everyday. It's totally reliable.


    You're lying. I have provided dozens of compelling and profound accounts in this forum over the years. You just have to mitigate them because you don't want to believe in ghosts. You're obviously biased.

    Reality is more profound than anything you can imagine.


    It always does.
     
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  23. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    MR:

    I have what they say they saw and heard. That's all you have, too. Everything else is interpretation, on our parts.

    So you think that the issue of whether somebody saw a ghost ought to be decided based on who gives you the best vibes in terms of trust? What if you tend to trust the people with the woo more than you trust skeptics? Does that make the ghosts more likely to be real?

    I have an agenda to ask sensible questions about extraordinary claims, and thereby to promote critical thinking.

    You don't know them, so how can you say that?

    They thought it was a cry for help from the car, you mean.

    No, I can't. I hear what sounds like some random noise. You hear a cry because that's what you expect to hear.

    Just a ghost, people. Nothing to see here. Move along!

    You're saying you don't know the answers. I see. No surprises there.

    Totally reliable, eh? No eyewitness has ever been mistaken about anything. Okay, if you say so.

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    Every one of your "accounts" that I have ever glanced over has has holes big enough to drive a truck through.

    Maybe so, but that's just a guess or a hope on your part. You don't speak from a position of knowledge.
     

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