why we need ghosts

Yes there are, in all four sensory areas, including taste.
Moreover, human senses are about the least developed of all mammals. But we do have a brain which can think abstractly and make up stuff that isn't there.

https://www-tc.pbs.org/wnet/nature/files/2008/06/inline_underdogs_bloodhound.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_eye

You are talking about extra-sensory perception. In what respect and in which medium?
Only a few very gifted persons are able to perceive extra-sensory perceptions?
Special people??

 

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No..we perceive the doors that are actually before us. We perceive the 100 yards of freeway that is actually before us as we drive. We perceive what is on our TVs and our computers. We don't make stuff up unless we are impaired with toxins. The normal average mode of human functioning is seeing what is right in front in of us. There is no making up stuff that is not there.

 

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You have already forgotten the chess board?

 

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Nothing you have posted invalidates the accuracy of human perception.

 

Science does explain this. Just not the answer you want.

Even under everyday circumstances our brains are tricking us. This is absolutely indisputable fact, no matter how incredulous you personally may be.

The fact that we can go through our entire day without ever being aware that our brains are tricking us is a testament to how ingrained it is.

Please - do not take our word for this - ask anyone who knows anything about cognition and perception.

Seriously, read Jay Ingram's Theatre of the Mind.
https://www.jayingram.ca/books/theatre-of-the-mind.html

It doesn't need to be invalidated. It's fact that human perception is illusory.

You personal opinion on the matter does not stand up.

 

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MR,
Are you at last going to view this remarkable lecture by a knowledgeable person in the field of "cognition" and "perception". Will you make an attempt to look at reality objectively and not through the evolved internal subjective filters.

At all times our brain is making "best guesses" of what's out there. It doesn't see anything at all. It receives electrochemical stimuli, which it must translate into a holographic cognitive experience.

 

Google "confabulation across saccades."

We make stuff up.

 

Dimissing an experience as a hallucination is not an explanation. It is an attempt to dismiss the experience as invalid, Science does not have the authority to do this,

No..that does not apply to the everyday perceptions that get us thru our day.

That's a lie meant to invalidate paranormal experiences. Human perception is overwhelmingly accurate and reliable.

Neither does your opinion.

 

Indeed. MR, if your brain were not tricking you right now, you would be quite incapable of reading this text.

 

I did not do this.

No one is denying experiences. What we challenge is the interpretation.
'Ghosts' is an interpretation of an experience.

 

Which is precisely why I said:

It absolutely does.

As pointed out, you would be unable to read this text if your brain didn't trick you.

These aren't opinions; these are facts.

 

There is no interpretation with the experience. There is only what they experienced,

 

No we don't. We see what happens right in front of us.

 

Yes. They heard a noise.

They interpreted it as a voice.
They interpreted where it was coming from.

And then someone, somewhere along the line, interpreted that as ghosts - or whatever mystery explanation you care for.

 

This is false.

You will get nowhere denying facts.

Do some reading. Disabuse yourself of this notion.

 

No.. there is only what they experienced, What other's say about it is irrelevant.

 

Yes.

But they don't know it was a voice they heard and they don't know it came from the vehicle.

It is quite easy to accidentally hear things, and quite easy to accidentally misjudge where they are coming form. (Ventriloquists take good advantage of this particular shortcoming of human hearing. So does your TV.)

And nowhere in there is there any mention of ghosts. So we can dispense with that.

And since this is a thread about ghosts, the anecdote is off-topic.

 

Incorrect.

If you really "saw" what your eyes see, you would see an unrecognizable mess. There are blind spots. You can really only see detail in your fovea. When your eyes jitter around (saccade) as they always do, your visual stream is interrupted.

But we perceive a fixed visual field, because our brains "fill in" the confusing or missing pieces. That's a well researched fact. Indeed, computer programs that watch your eyes can easily fool your brain because of its confabulation. For example, if a computer watches your eyes, and puts target information on the screen within your fovea's area only when your eye is stationary, and fills the rest of the screen with a "hidden picture" i.e. one easily visible to someone else watching the screen - the subject will not see it, because his brain is filling in the missing areas with fake, assumed information.

From the book "Why We Lie" by David Smith:

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Consider the phenomenon of "confabulation across saccades." As we look at our surroundings, our visual experience seems coherent and continuous. In fact, our eyes never keep still for very long, even when we think we are staring steadily at a fixed point in space. Our eyes remain fixed on one spot for no more than a quarter of a second before darting of in tiny, jerky movements called saccades. Although we are effectively blind during saccades, we do not have choppy visual experiences because our brains silently, unobtrusively, and unconsciously iron things out for us, editing the visual information to create the illusion of a smoothly un-folding visual panorama. In one of several marvelous experi-ments demonstrating saccade-blindness, the experimenter asks his or her subject to gaze at a scene projected on the screen of a computer monitor. Of course, this is no ordinary computer. The experimenter has rigged it to change some aspect of the picture during the viewer's saccades. Because the subject is blind during saccades, he or she is completely oblivious to these sometimes-dramatic alterations, even if told beforehand that the picture will change at some point during the experiment.
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The voice is heard coming from the car. That's what the four rescue workers testify to. There is no other explanation but a ghost vocalizing the cry of help from the car.