why we need ghosts

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by birch, Feb 27, 2016.

  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    All too theoretical for me. I prefer to deal in practical realities. The nature of the paranormal as it reveals itself to us.
     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Free-floating energy does not embody human emotion and behavior. These things are necessarily products of electrochemistry in the brain.
    So I don't see how that could be the mechanism; there's just no precedent.
    Perhaps there's a simpler explanation.

    ?? Like human emotions manifesting from pure energy?

    That's not even theoretical; it's whimsical - cut from whole cloth.
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    The Emperor's new clothes?
     
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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    MR is engaging in good faith discussion, so I'm responding in-kind.
     
  8. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I don't buy into the materialist assumptions of science. I believe the mind subsists in a domain independent of the brain maintaining a coherent structure and energy that allows it to interact with the world. It is not a "product" of electrochemistry. That is only one of its interactions with the world. I don't have any hardcore evidence of this other than phenomena such as ghosts, terminal lucidity, and various exceptional deathbed experiences.
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    That is pretty much a description of a soul.
     
  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Ummmm

    ENERGY is a measurement as in

    The SI unit of energy is the joule, which is the energy transferred to an object by the work of moving it a distance of 1 metre against a force of 1 newton

    Sooooo ENERGY is not a thing in and of itself. You need something which has ENERGY

    Sooooo unfortunately "divested of material structure" is impossible

    Thanks for settling and confirming ghost are nothing and cannot exist

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  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    M is correct. Energy is not a thing, it's an bookkeeping system.
    What type of energy might it be? Kinetic?Photons?
     
  12. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry the MIND is a PROCESS

    Sooooo are you contending ghost are a PROCESS which becomes material?

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  13. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Noooooooo, never would have guessed

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  14. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Soul, mind, spirit, psyche--whatever word you wanna use.
     
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  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Energy does not exist as a separate entity in and of itself ✓
    Different physical and detectable stuff exist ✓
    We can detect different physical and detectable stuff ✓
    We can CALCULATE the ENERGY of a system ✓

    For ENERGY, reminder is a measurement, does not show when you observe or detect

    It needs to be calculated

    "sure has alot of forms" noooooooo the stuff which has ENERGY has a lot of forms

    ENERGY may have different names for measuring it but "a joule by any other name is still a joule"

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    en·er·gy
    Dictionary result for energy
    /ˈenərjē/
    noun
    1. 1.
      the strength and vitality required for sustained physical or mental activity.
      "changes in the levels of vitamins can affect energy and well-being"
      synonyms:vitality, vigor, life, liveliness, animation, vivacity, spirit, spiritedness, fire, passion, ardor, zeal, verve, enthusiasm, zest, vibrancy, spark, sparkle, effervescence, exuberance, buoyancy, perkiness, sprightliness; More
    2. 2.
      power derived from the utilization of physical or chemical resources, especially to provide light and heat or to work machines.
      synonyms: power
      "the panels turn solar energy into electricity"
    https://www.google.com/search?q=energy define&rlz=1C1CHZL_enUS699US699&oq=energy define&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.4130j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
     
  18. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Can you please extract from this post anything which contradicts what I posted?

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  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Therefore.
    They are the Emperor's new clothing....!

    I am not saying MR is spinning the cloth. He believes the phony (or ignorant) weavers.
     
  20. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Good match up

    I am not saying MR is spinning the cloth

    But MR has said the cloth (ghost) comes into the real world and - has been seen - has interacted with the real world (pulled blankets off beds, slammed doors) - and the stupid ghost have allowed themselves to be caught on film

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  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly. It always manifests in one of those forms. "Pure" energy is not a thing. You need to pick one.
     
  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Sure. All of which tend to be part of a person.
    When you start talking about them as if they can exist once the person is gone, you're in pretty far beyond practical - and even outside of any theory - you're in a guessing zone. There's not even a hint of mechanism for it.
     
  23. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Energy is still a noun and refers to something. A form of energy is still energy for example. It's not just a barren form of nothing.
     

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