Politics and Climate Change

Discussion in 'Politics' started by geordief, Apr 3, 2019.

  1. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    There isn't any.
    Why do you think reasonable laws were in question? It would be very nice if reasonable laws were enacted, or had been enacted in time to do any good.
    Why do you think extremist viewpoints are at issue?
    The question was: What form of governance could best meet the challenge of climate change?
    One answer on which we seem to agree is: Not this one.
     
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  3. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Now:
    You're just being silly.
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Why are you banging on about irrelevancies such as whether or not we are in a superinterglacial?
    Odds are we aren't, and if we are we won't notice for a long, long time. Meanwhile: in the political arena we have AGW - an immediate and dramatic threat.
     
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  7. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Serious as a heart attack. Are you seriously that ignorant? Don't answer that. I won't see it anyway now.
     
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  8. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    The form is not the issue. The issue is the character of the people in it. Do they acknowledge science? Do they care about the well-being of the populous? Do they act in good faith to balance the mitigation of disaster and the avoidance of economic collapse?
     
  9. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    It was the OP question.
    Apparently, the issue has been changed to what Americans like.
    They acknowledge what they're taught. If they're taught no science or bad science; if their popular media don't inform them, this "issue" is moot.
    They always care. They express their caring by voting for whoever convinces them that he has their best interest at heart.
    The people have no power of decision over either of those things, let alone figuring out a balance; the elite who do have that power are making enough wrong decisions to ensure both kinds of disaster.
     
  10. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    my prediction is that dry areas such as Persia/some parts of the middle east will get increased rain fall.
    That rain fall will be in flash flood type heavy short term rain rather than regular long term manageable rain.

    i expect semi tropical places to start to get tropical rain as a regular event.

    i expect the usa and europe to get flash freezes and floods and short draughts.
    sudden opposites of weather as the northern polar stream swings down.

    over all the increased temperature will raise the water table precipitation level to make it wetter at the altitude where humans live.

    places that have loose soil and rarely any rain should accommodate for flooding and land slides.

    this type of thing in asia i expect to become a little more common.

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    there is likely many places in the middle east that have not made allowances for heavy rain fall and various things like bridges and damning from floods may well be quite troubling for their lack of preparedness
     
  11. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    It is the wrong question.
    Elites only have that power when the people give up. It's the result of civic disengagement and apathy.
     
  12. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    I would say that people within different political systems are probably similar. I wonder whether one political system would bring out the best in its citizens more so than another.

    For example it may be that an authoritarian state would have no truck with MMGW deniers and Trump et al would find themselves in an orange jump suit.

    Like I say this is an existential threat and war time or emergency measures may be called for as time runs/has already run short
     
  13. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    They always are. Armies are called out, first to rescue flood victims, then to keep order --- and then, as usual, to kill "outsiders"
    Except in Trumps FULL country, it's the other way around.
     
  14. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    there is some online comments i noticed in some business media suggesting a potential economic decline.
    this seems fairly obvious given the false global growth built on chinas growth rate.
    the outsourcing of labour & all the manufacturing by western countrys has been the throwing out the baby with the bath water.

    china has been able to cash in on the unbridled greed & lack of government regulation of other countrys looking to exploit low cost labour markets in other countrys.

    Trump probably realises that this is coming back to bite them on the ass economically and attempting to preempt the budget cuts by being 1st to show some policy that most conservative voters have been rallying around for the last 4 years or more.

    it is a smart move politically.
    economically as far as Mexican migrant workers and south american workers who prop up the USA domestic help industry and USA farming industry and help USA industrialists to help keep down the working wage and keep up unemployment figures to hold down workers wages and rights....
    it cant be stopped like a slammed door otherwise al the rich people wont have their cleaners and nannys and low cost farm laborers.

    your average middle class white American probably doesnt employ slave wage home help or slave wage farm laborers so dont see they should support such policy.
    what they dont want to discuss is the real cost of their food if it was all employed and made by american citizen wage rates.

    climate change was sold by the alt-right as a financial scam by leftist crooks
    so the same ol same ol is going on about whos going to pay for it.

    the reality is the bill will be sent to the USA government in the cost of weather damage to citys, lost production and lost profit lost jobs, unemployment etc etc on and on.
     
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  15. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Ha! The next one is gonna be a domino cas-CADE!
    Trump realizes nothing. He's blown around by every right-wind. He has prejudices but no agenda; illusions, but no vision.
    Trump realizes nothing.
    For about five minutes, it was a hoax perpetrated by China.
    That's all going be stay unpaid; there's no budget for it. But he might visit and throw paper towels at the victims.
     
  16. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    What. exactly, led you to that conclusion?
     
  17. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    It doesn't matter.Will you stick to the topic?
     
  18. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    You're familiar with the phrase:
    "This ain't my first rodeo"?
    well
    This ain't our first interglacial.

    George Santayana comes to mind
    .........................
    but, then again
    this thread is in the politics section
    (so somewhat divorced from science?)
     
  19. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    The science of Climate Change (especially man made climate change) can hardly be ignored.

    But the question is what varieties of political organizations might be best positioned to address the practicalities of minimizing the effects of the global warming already in the pipeline.

    Some here have suggested that all political arrangements are equally likely to succeed or fail and that it is all down to political will

    That may be so ; let us hope (against hope) that the political will kicks in before it is too late (if it is not already too late)

    Don't bother bringing up "interglacials" with me as I don't think it has any bearing (other than incidental) on the pressing situation we are faced with and should be facing up to.
     
  20. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    excellent question
    i will think on it
     
  21. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    politicians on climate change
    A french revolutionary is sitting in an outdoor cafe enjoying his morning coffee and pastry when he sees a mob rushing by.
    He turns to his assistant and says: "quick. find out where they are going so that I may lead them",
     
  22. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    We get the politicians we deserve.

    As we do plumbers,doctors and mathematicians.
     
  23. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Would you buy a used guillotine from ebay?
     

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