why we need ghosts

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by birch, Feb 27, 2016.

  1. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    MR thinks hoaxes and pranks fall in the 'exotic' category, and that ghosts are the mundane explanation.
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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  7. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I wouldn't call wegs. She still can't locate the misplaced USB wire that came with her EVP recorder.

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  8. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    No.
     
  9. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Godzilla did that too.
     
  10. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    So, "the data "goes crazy" in 1993"...
    Do you suppose, DaveC426913, that that could be correlated in any way to this :

    https://www.livescience.com/20727-internet-history.html
    " 1991: CERN introduces the World Wide Web to the public.

    1992: The first audio and video are distributed over the Internet. The phrase "surfing the Internet" is popularized.

    1993: The number of websites reaches 600 and the White House and United Nations go online. Marc Andreesen develops the Mosaic Web browser at the University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana. The number of computers connected to NSFNET grows from 2,000 in 1985 to more than 2 million in 1993. The National Science Foundation leads an effort to outline a new Internet architecture that would support the burgeoning commercial use of the network.

    1994: Netscape Communications is born. Microsoft creates a Web browser for Windows 95.

    1994: Yahoo! is created by Jerry Yang and David Filo, two electrical engineering graduate students at Stanford University. The site was originally called "Jerry and David's Guide to the World Wide Web." The company was later incorporated in March 1995.

    1995: Compuserve, America Online and Prodigy begin to provide Internet access. Amazon.com, Craigslist and eBay go live. The original NSFNET backbone is decommissioned as the Internet’s transformation to a commercial enterprise is largely completed. " https://www.livescience.com/20727-internet-history.html
     
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  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed Dave, although I loved the X-Files and saw it as great entertainment. Perhaps though they should have established a new film/TV show classification...something like, "Not for the gullible" or "restricted viewing for entertainment only"
    In that respect, Hollywood and the TV studios have a lot to answer for.
     
  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So... before the internet, people who wanted to report something just had to ... suck it up?
    It's a pity there wasn't any way of - sort of, I dunno - spreading news before 1993.

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  13. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe ghosts need us. Hmm.

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  14. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, that's an odd reaction.

    A door on a shaft opens and closes on its own and a light flickers. What are the possible explanations?

    1) Air currents opened and closed the door, and the ballast needs to be replaced.
    2) A Youtuber set up a trick to get more views (and thus more $$$.)
    3) A ghost did it.
    4) God did it.

    I am amused by the people who immediately jump past option 1 and 2 straight to 3 or 4. I am even more amused by the people who jump to 3 or 4 and then say "but option 4 (or 3) is ridiculous! That's supernatural nonsense!"
     
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  15. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe it's reciprocal - because ghost hunters shows certainly need ghosts (or at least things that look like ghosts.)
     
  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    It's one more tick on my list of things that make me suspect MR is having us on. He may have a lot of exotic beliefs, but I don't think even he can say 'a hoax or prank is too implausible to even imagine' and keep a straight face.
     
  17. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    Why try to erect a Straw Man? No one said anything about there being no way of "spreading news " before 1993 - other than what you Posted as quoted above.
    If you want to use your Straw Man, then "It's a pity there wasn't any way of - sort of, I dunno - spreading news before"...the premiere of Fox's paranormal drama series "The X-Files."


    I merely asked whether you suppose that that could be correlated in any way to the then concurrent expansion and growth of the Internet?
    Is there any possibility that the Internet made "spreading news " much easier, quicker and to even possibly more people?
    Do you suppose that just possibly the ability to instantly Post Printed information or Audio and Video made it quicker and easier to disseminate such information or Media to a vastly wider audience?

    By not having to attract the attention of a Newspaper or Radio or Television station and then getting them to come and report on any "UFO Sightings" - instead by simply and instantly Posting any "UFO Sightings" from ones own home - surely had to have some impact on the amount of Reports of "UFO Sightings" that became available to enumerate.

    You seem to find it easy to accept that the data "goes crazy" in 1993, which coincidentally was the premiere of Fox's paranormal drama series "The X-Files.

    Would it have been so much harder to accept if the digg.com article had posited : "One of the most perceptive takeaways from this animated chart, made by Redditor mastocles, is that the data "goes crazy" in 1993, which coincides with the expansion of the Internet and also when "surfing the Internet" is popularized."
     
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    Yep, by far the most likely reason. I mean the series along with at least one other series at that time, was "promoting" the supernatural, the paranormal, the government cover ups and conspiracies as every day events. I imagine that would have easily set of the imagination of the gullible and impressionable brigade.
    Maybe to a small extent only. The Internet was not "preaching" nonsense of the sort being discussed, as the movies and TV was. A big difference. Perhaps you just chose to be contrary for reasons known only to yourself.
    And when we look at the fact that the X-Files had around 10 seasons from memory, and spawned a couple of movies, the evidence of the effects grows enormously. Obviously money in fooling people, and getting them all jittery and superstitious...they talk to their friends, who talk to others, and discuss, the what if's or the usual line these shows finish with, 'you form your own opinion" The nuts love that! 9/11, Moon landing conspiracies, UFO sightings, ghosts, goblins!!!! And of course finally, most people use the TV when relaxing..the internet is far from relaxing and requires input...TV, movies etc, only require a befuddled brain to impress, which is far easier when relaxed.
     
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    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_X-Files
    "Unfortunately, it also arguably played a role in the reawakening of interest in conspiracy theories in the 1990s.[2] The writers heavily mined UFO mythology, such as the Majestic 12 and the Roswell crash, for ideas, forming a story that, both as a whole and as the sum of its parts, was largely indistinguishable from many real-life, grand-scale UFO conspiracy theories. While it likely was not the intention of the writers to do this, the show's run went hand-in-hand with an explosion of interest in ufology, cryptozoology, and the paranormal in general, and as one of the most high-profile purveyors of such ideas, it is difficult to argue that this was coincidental. This was even more true during the show's 2016 revival, in which the show integrated many of the newer methods and ideas that conspiracy theorists had picked up in the show's absence".
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  20. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    First Off : @ DaveC426913 - In no way was I being "contrary", I was only asking if it was possible that there might be any correlation with the increased availability and use of the Internet.

    Since my Post has seemingly instigated further "interest"(!?), I did a little further research on the article you presented in your Post #1223.

    The digg.com article and the "animated chart" it referenced was created by data compiled from the reports of UFO sightings in the United States from 1910 to 2014 from the National UFO Reporting Center - http://www.nuforc.org.

    Please Note that the Premier of FOX TV's "The X-Files" happened on September 10, 1993.

    The National UFO Reporting Center, Report Index by Month can be viewed at this link : http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/ndxevent.html

    If anyone who is really interested in this issue cares to view that data, something quite interesting will be seen.

    There was an elevated number of reports in June of 1993 - 103 reports - quite a bit more than the surrounding months. Interestingly enough, there was another elevated number of reports in June of 1994 - 93 reports.

    There was no further significant increases until 1995 - when the first 11 months stayed near to or over 100 reports and as high as 199 reports until December of 1995 when there were only 60 reports.

    There were a few more high months through 1997, but the reports did not really rise and stay above 100 until 1998 - when the reports really increased and stayed above 200 and then rose through the 200's, 300's and 400's during 1998, 1999 and into the 2000's and later.

    After actually viewing the number of monthly reports, I cannot see how the average person - and certainly not any actual Scientific researcher - would or could in any honest way conclude that "the data "goes crazy" in 1993".

    All of this can be easily confirmed simply by visiting this Link : http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/ndxevent.html

    Therefore, after doing my own further research - which I heartily recommend that anyone who is truly interested in this issue do for themselves - I find the quote : " 'One of the most perceptive takeaways from this animated chart, made by Redditor mastocles, is that the data "goes crazy" in 1993, which coincidentally was the premiere of Fox's paranormal drama series "The X-Files."', from the digg.com article somewhat odd and quite irrational after actually seeing the raw data that it supposedly used to glean "One of the most perceptive takeaways".


    - Edit : A neat feature at Link http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/ndxevent.html
    Begin by "clicking-on" the 'Month/Year' in the Left Column
    Then by "clicking-on" the Date/Time in the Left Column - (Whew!!) -
    You can read each individual "Sighting Report" !
     
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  21. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Has the incidence of videos of UFOs gone up?
    Particularly because just about everyone carries a video cam now. Should be multiple videos of a single UFO from various angles and longer than 30 seconds. Since it might take moments for some to organise, we should, by stringing videos together get a full length feature movie

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  22. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Did you know...?

    If you throw a key at a ghost, it will disappear. If a candle flame turns blue, it means a ghost is in the house.
     
  23. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    You would think, with all of the Smart phones and such abounding...but, I really don't know.
    And, TBH, I really don't need to know!
     

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