Global Climate Strike

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Beer w/Straw, Sep 20, 2019.

  1. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    If we were to draw up a list of salient points concerning the climate crisis this would have to be one of them.
    I am sure most climate scientists are well aware of this "action inertia" factor..and have to wait for the situation to become that dire that human change becomes necessary.
     
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  3. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not saying it isn't one of them
    I'm saying that not everyone percieves it to be "a considerable, viable and imminent threat to the people".
     
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  5. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    are a cartel gang
    they hold no democratic power
    they are fascists and it is a fascist system and structure

    they pretend to be benevolent fascists to pay lip service to their own guilt, however ...
    ...where have they exercised their fascism and to give whom the power ?
    1st time was Al gore
    2nd time was Donald trump
    (i believe there was a historic case where they attempted to legitimize their existence by pretending to serve the peoples will also)
    both times they could have chosen the other side with equal legitimacy but they didn't

    al gore they refused because he was not their gulf war cronie
    and more soo he appeared a bit too environmentally conscious.
    whos up for a bit of climate change ?

    donald trump they chose because they didnt want to be seen to be holding the power

    Thier mandate is supposedly emergency power to prevent civil war or prevent facist dictators that the people dont like getting into the position of top dog.

    maybe the federal government should absorb them into their administration and save some costs

    not really
    you need to read behind the lines
    what he means is the rural gun slingers want to feel they have more individual representation than city slickers
    thats how it plays
    thats what it is for
    that is their lip service to the republican rural self entitlest

    THAT is how and why the republican party managed to gerrymander the rural states to give them more senate seats than the democratic value of equal votes for equal citizens.
     
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    culture

    1 single self stated muslim terrorist who attacks something in the usa invokes almost instant new laws and they spends millions of dollars
    quite disproportional to the loss of civilian lives for any other things
    and vastly increased disproportionality if those attacked are rich.

    it is the emperors new clothes
     
  8. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    My impression, uninformed and unsupported, is that the biggest problem perhaps may be the unexpressed opinion, I suspect most folk hold, that God will fix it.
    And add to that... there would be a high proportion of folk who are actually looking forward to the end of days.

    I find it disappointing so many believe a two thousand year old book yet ignore modern well researched science.



    Alex
     
  9. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    and I am sayin' that I totally agree with you....

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    It is this very point that leads to the think tanks (30 odd years ago) estimating a 75% global population reduction at the very least.
     
  10. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    perhaps you should read up on what it is first?
    dafuq?
    dafuq are you on, bro?
    ya need to quit 4-chan before your rabbit hole gets too deep to crawl out of, man
    that definitely is a problem in the US - but I don't think it is the biggest problem.

    can I hear an AMEN yall?
     
  11. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know if this is universal..but here when something is going wrong...we say...things are going South...did we get that saying from you guys I wonder...and exactly what does "going South" have to do with things going wrong?
    Are folk in the South USA at all religious?
    Alex
     
  12. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    that's a good question! I'll send an e-mail to Susie Dent and ask.
    no. definitely not.
    I am in the deep south right now and I abhor religion (not a faith, mind, but the actual codified rules people use for judgement in the name or moral superiority)
     
  13. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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  15. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    this is actually true about most mass media outlets. and especially about the named topics above.
    it's just one reason people should check the facts and sources for claims in articles before accepting them as being factual.
     
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Well, some are better than others. Vanessa Otero of the Ad Fontes group did a study a while back and classified media sources as to accuracy and bias (which are not the same thing.) It's a good guide. You can get other analyses which are similar; take your pick.

    Also of note is that foreign sources are just as biased as US sources, but since their biases are often orthogonal to ours, they do not fall prey to the same echo chamber effect that (say) FOX falls for.
     

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  17. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    the problem is that the analysis is generalised. Sometimes you need to have a topical view [of the media source], which is especially true of politics, abortion or gun control, etc.

    this reminds me of a joke:
    Three statisticians go hunting for deer. They spot one off in the distance.
    The first one shoots about a meter too high; the second one, about a meter too low; the third one yells, “We got it!”
     
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  18. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Yes but, Trump lies and he's still President...
     
  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Yep. Lots of people like lies that support their worldview. "There's no such thing as climate change!" "Illegal immigrants get in by walking across unguarded borders." "Illegal immigrants are rapists and criminals." That avoids any dissonance in their thinking.
     
  20. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    the fact that politicians lie isn't new or unique to any party. That's how they get elected.

    lies aren't always bad, either, especially when they're mutually beneficial or provide a service to the recipient (that can't be provided by honesty): I would never tell my wife her arse looks fat in anything. mostly because I value my life, but also because she's a far better cook than I am.

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  21. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed, but it's getting worse lately. People (not just politicians) are embracing unreason as a way to justify their choices. We see this in the rise of religious fundamentalism, right (and left) wing extremism, brags about how "look, I'm not a scientist, but I know X!" and the rise of Joe the Plumber types over the "out-of-touch educated elite." 30% of the country is proud to have a president who can't spell, construct a coherent sentence or read briefings. The Internet, once thought to bring information and enlightenment to everyone, more often serves to give anti-vaxxers, Apollo hoaxers and 9/11 truthers ammunition to alter and deny history.

    Susan Jacoby talks about this in her book "the age of american unreason." Worth a look.
     
  22. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not so sure I agree with this - surely it seems like this is true, but is it really true or an artefact of our own ageing biased memories?
    similar to the "kids these days" effect


    this is definitely a problem, but it's also not new considering the advent of easily accessible reading material with the printing press did exactly the same thing, really.
    it's the cost of free speech, probably mixed with a tinge of shitty education systems (not all, just some are required) and a dash of ideological fanaticism of any kind (political, religious, denialists and conspiracists groups, etc). Then you have to consider the human need for belonging and "cultural cognition" ("the idea goes like this: public opinion on these topics is fundamentally tied to cultural identities rather than assessment of scientific evidence. In other words, rather than evaluate the science, people form opinions based on what they think people with a similar background believe." [sic] - Scott K. Johnson, Arstechnica)


    I'll have a look. it definitely should be something to read alongside the research discussed above, from Kahan to Protzko.
     
  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    To a degree, yes. But the difference is that it was easy to find news that reported basic facts, and textbooks on science and math. (Indeed, kids are given/assigned them.) It would have been difficult to find a book on Sasquatch, because that was a fairly fringe meme. You'd have to go to a bookstore and do some looking.

    Today it is equally easy to get a website on DNA structure and a website on anti-vaxxing.
     

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