Bush fires

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Xelasnave.1947, Nov 17, 2019.

  1. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    looks like Wednesday Thursday & Friday will be big days for that.
    by the looks of things, possibly far enough out, into the outback to not warrant moving resources from protecting the lifes of people in urban areas.
    but if the lighting comes closer to urban areas, it might be quite concerning as an immediate risk to life that could quickly spiral out of control.

    i have wondered if the dirty media word is "desertification" and "Massive Dust storm"
    might be the words being danced around.

    plutonium dust storm into a city might be interesting.
    plutonium dust storms with dry lighting followed by flash flooding...
    what a prize package

    the de-salination choir might need to start rehearsing a different song.
     
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  3. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    unless your an aborigine living on government occupied land
    then your likely to have nothing on the table except your Uranium poisoning test results from your water supply.

    supposedly that's all ok though

    they should call their town "half-life-city"

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    those fire retardants are 100% carcinogenic from what i believe.
    while the emergency operation centres is up & running they should be mapping water ways and rivers and land space that has the fire retardant on it.
    there should be a live update map online availible for the public to access that shows which rivers streams and water way catchment areas are un-safe for drinking and a rough time frame before it is expected to be safe for pregnant women to drink.

    they can easily sub-in a combo team half med half bio-chem students with a prof to run a field test ops centre demo work shop
    along side the emergency ops centre.
    military could work with them too as practice emergency ops chem team logistics etc.


    but most managers and leaders dont think like that.
    their thought processes are far too egotistical and selfish on the most part.

    example
    politician is having a heart attack in front of you
    tourist is videoing it on their cell phone
    you dont have your cell phone and your on your way to pay your rent & buy your groceries.
    you have $750.00 Cash

    no one else around, the tourist says you can borrow their phone for $500.00 USD (thats all your rent money and a weeks food money and your living pay check to pay check renting)

    what do you do ?
     
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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    That's a pretty ignorant view. I am going to assume you don't know many managers or leaders.
     
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    you say i am wrong and i am ignorant
    yet you provide no examples
    i have clearly shown an example

    where is your evidence to back up your claim ?

    you have made a claim
    back it up

    give an example
     
  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I do not think you are ignorant. I said that the stereotypical view that managers are mostly egotistical and selfish is ignorant, and comes from just accepting what the media tells you.
    Here are some examples.

    I worked for the same company for 25 years, and during that time 9 out of 10 managers/leaders were quite good. They saw their job as providing support for the people working under them so they could do their jobs effectively. They fostered innovation, provided flexibility when it was needed (long absences due to family problems or military issues)

    The remaining 10% saw their job as growing their own "kingdom" - and their managees were tools to that end. They were the people everyone talked about, because they were disliked - but they were vastly in the majority.

    Some examples:

    LT. I had him as a manager for ~12 years and met with him about once a month. His first questions were always "how's it going?" and "do you need anything?" When it came time for me to leave, he told me he thought it was the right move.

    VM. She saw a need for an equality organization and created one within the company. It now has one full time and four part time people, and it works to support minority, LGBT and different religions within the company. They organize a pride parade every year, do regular events to increase awareness, and have created a resource list so that employees with specific issues (a gay man deciding whether to 'come out' for example) can go to someone with that experience.

    RA. He ran part of the R+D organization and fought tirelessly for funding to do research and keep the research staff we had.

    GK. She ran most of our company's harvestings, and was amazingly good at getting groups of people to create new paradigms, use cases and technological solutions. She could take 12 engineers for a day, generate 500 concepts, work on the raw concepts for a few months, get some work done on them and come out with half a dozen new patents.

    Those are just four, but they are good examples across the company.
     
  9. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes you are unfortunately so correct here.
    Perhaps we really do need another flood.
    Alex
     
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  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    "The media" do not carry that message in my area. The level of "manager" has less media presence than others, for starters.

    Meanwhile: In people's personal experience the memories from the minority of truly bad supervisors outweigh those from the good ones.

    And in the relevant class of worker, bottom 2/3 of the economy, one seldom deals with an actual "manager" - disregarding job titles, one is dealing mostly with foreman level supervision. They are often called managers, but they have little authority or influence or power to do well by employees as you describe. And they are not hired or paid for such abilities or interests.

    Corporate America has yet to fully embrace Townsend's longstanding and well-supported advice - get rid of the foreman level entirely (and exclude the HR department from hiring decisions).
     
  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The research published over the past few decades points to large scale fire modification of Australian ecology by aboriginal firesetting. They've been at it so long, and on such a huge scale, that the entire landscape has undergone evolutionary change and adjustment - it's fire adapted.

    Like the jack pine forests of the north and similar of the western US, it needs and abets fire.

    And now it's heating up and drying out further.
     
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  12. Bells Staff Member

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    I'm sorry, but banning lighters is not radical. It is impractical and downright silly.

    A camper or bushwalker can start the same fire with a piece of glass, a match, a stick and some dry leaves and a rock, a fire can be started by one spark when the conditions are as they are now - two rocks struck together with force can start a fire if there's a spark... Just as a person who lives near bushland can start a massive bushfire if they mow their lawn and they nick a rock with the mower blade, causing a spark.. Are you going to arrest people for mowing their lawn too? Which would be insane as during fire season is quite essential if you live near bushland to reduce the fire load surrounding your property..

    I'm going to stop you right there.. You have kept referring back to the 1994 fires as though they were the absolute worst, while being somewhat dismissive of the current bushfires we are experiencing.. Because 1994, "heck, that was a fire" huh? As though the current horror we are experiencing is not that bad.

    You keep saying the 1994 fires were the worst?

    The 1994 Eastern seaboard fires were bushfires in New South Wales, Australia between August 1993 and 16 January 1994 were widespread along the NSW coast from Bega to the Queensland border and inland as far as Bathurst. Also Over 80 separate fires encouraged by extreme hot dry and windy conditions threatened many areas including the major cities of Newcastle and Sydney. The fires killed four people and burnt out over 800,000 hectares (2,000,000 acres). The fires across the state destroyed 225 homes in total

    The 1994 fires burned for around 5 months. 2 million acres lost, 225 homes lost in total in NSW. 4 people killed. They were horrendous.

    The current bushfires in NSW alone:

    As of 18 November, 1,650,000 ha (4,100,000 acres) has been burnt, more than the past 3 fire seasons in total. 476 homes have been destroyed since the start of the bushfire season.​

    The fires in NSW started in September.. So just over 2 months.. It has burnt twice as much forest and land, destroyed twice as many houses. And it has killed 6 people. And that's just for NSW. QLD is also burning.

    The problem we now face is that the fire season is now much longer. For us in QLD and Northern NSW, it's starting in August. Usually, August through to October is when they do back burning to reduce the risk of these fires being what they are now. But they can no longer do that, because conditions have changed so drastically.

    And you say the Australian bush does not mind a fire? Down south, sure. Rainforests can take 100 years to recover.. And what we have lost, will most likely never be the same again in my part of the world.
     
  13. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    another flood?
    surely you're not alluding to the Abrahamic biblical farce plagiarised from Gilgamesh, who likely stole it as well????

    I think I would have to agree with you...
    kinda like what people do about texting and driving, eh?

    well. just thinking out loud and IMHO only, I would advise caution putting any faith in the court's system in this regard: if you don't have a solid foundation which establishes firm boundaries then the system tends to be swayed far easier by precedent (etc). This allows for the gradual malignant tumour of injustice to grow, which is best exemplified by the blue laws mentioned previously. The system would need a solid grounding of inalienable and inviolable rights that should be always guaranteed, and that inviolable rights system should be minimalised to ensure historical longevity.
    and that really is the question. this can be equated with so many hot-button topics... which perspective is best to take? one of caution? one that firmly establishes the individual rights of the person?

    if only there were a way to force people to be responsible for their actions... some kind of code that would establish what people could and could not do while providing the state with a means to punish offenders.

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  14. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Really? Never heard any songs complaining about the boss? Any movies with that theme? Any shows about mean/dumb/incompetent bosses? Any news stories about abusive bosses? Interesting.
    Absolutely. Have 9 good bosses and 1 bad one - and you'll remember the bad one forever.
    If they manage people, they are managers. They might be called bosses, or foremen, or managers, or directors, or comptrollers, or principals.
    I suspect they would merely be replaced by someone with a new name and the same responsibilities.
     
  15. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Are you thinking Noah size?

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  16. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Really I never knew.
    Certainly if it's the Sabath.
    That was my experience.
    I am certainly sorry to hear that.
    Alex
     
  17. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I was joking of course and certainly a reference to the culling method the choice of gods it seems.
    A side note..I am particularly interested in the Younger Dryas Cosmic Impact hypothisis which may lay foundation to the many flood myths found in so many cultures.
    I have faith in the system..it may not be perfect but it can work rather well in criminal matters. In civil matters the price of enforcing your rights or a contract can spoil it...
    Well apparently there is but it would mean taking away free will and we can't have that.
    We don't punish offenders ..we rehabilitate them. That's why so many are happy to do time...free food, free board, free clothing, free health care, learn a trade, plenty of drugs and an active sex life.
    Alex
     
  18. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes but a real one.
    Alex
     
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  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    You know the GREEN BRIGADE will not blame god but us poor Minions and at the 30th day of rain will be working on a 10 year plan to save the Earth

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  20. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    or any range of rank from Sergeant to Colonel, etc.

    LMFAO
    which one?
    IMHO, I think it's far more likely that they get the idea from rivers, lakes and living near water sources, all of which are prone to flooding. It may well have grown out of the stories passed on from generation to generation about various floods that did massive damage and one person just took off with the story and embellished it to promote his beliefs in [insert random deity here]. It's all speculation, mind.

    Oh, don't get me wrong: I do have faith in the system. I just think it needs to be limited right out of the gate by some form of constitutionally guaranteed series of rights, like our own system, otherwise, it can be more easily abused. that is just how I see it.
    read that part again... it's a joke. (What are laws and regulations? LOL)

    yeah... I should have gone with more of a Jeopardy styled delivery, considering, right?
    LOL

    LMFAO
     
  21. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I once thought similar however the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothisis is getting much stronger with reasonably compelling papers. It promises to change our view of history. I read one account where they propose sea levels rose 30 feet in 24 hours which could be handed down as a world wide flood... Check out youtube..say Martin Sweatman he has some interesting stuff about it and strangely the ancient zodiac and how cave paintings were dictated by astrology in effect...he suggests it can be traced back 15000 years with great certainty...he seems scientific but really I could be fooled I expect...still very interesting.
    alex
     
  22. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Bosses and the managers you describe are not the same people, for most Americans (and songwriters etc).
    Managers work for bosses. They don't get a lot of media attention.
    And if they don't, in the manner you describe (able to cut slack for employees who need it, lobby for funding for their area, etc) they aren't.
    Yep. Often, the new name had "manager" in it.

    The closest most American employees come to dealing with management as you describe there is watching a guy in a suit walk through the job site , get out of a car in the reserved parking slot (another thing Townsend recommended getting rid of), etc.
    Not world wide.
     
  23. Bells Staff Member

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    Thank you Alex...

    I take the time to formulate a response, I do research, I address your points, I link you facts, correct your erroneous claims about the current fires in comparison to the 1994 fires and for the second time in a week, your response has been to act like a condescending prat.

    I shall be sure to treat you in kind in the future.
     

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