How did the Titanic break in half ?

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  1. Spencer666 Registered Member

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    Scientific terminology is not made up !

    The flat line has a bow plane , stern plane , port and starboard plane .

    I'm sure you will be more familiar with those terms .
     
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  3. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    So why do ship building plans not show "flat line" in/on plans?

    Again if you have a link to diagrams of ship building plans which show such please post in this thread

    Thanks

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  5. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    What ballocks.

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  7. Spencer666 Registered Member

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    You won't find technical expertise such as this on the mainstream internet !

    Mainstream info is for the novices in ship building .
     
  8. Spencer666 Registered Member

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    I beg you pardon ?

    Didn't you promise me a Rose garden but instead only delivered me manure ?
     
  9. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    You won't find technical expertise in rose delivery in a internet science forum

    However if you post manure you can expect it to be returned

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  10. Spencer666 Registered Member

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    An interesting comment but unfortunately it does not apply to my posts !

    Principle golden rule:

    1) The flat line must always be above the water line

    It is not my fault your information is outdated !
     
  11. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting and incorrect

    I give you

    Mighty Servant 2

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mighty_Servant_2

    I had the pleasure of assisting this vessel, as the radio operator on the ocean drilling rig, position itself to load the rig on to its deck

    Said deck was well below the surface of the water

    No golden rule there

    The rig was lifted out of the sea and my next duty was to disembark the remaining crew

    I was in the last group to leave, the last person was the Toolpusher (the day boss)

    Great times

    Not my fault your brain is outdated

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  12. Spencer666 Registered Member

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    Wrong context ! You are discussing a drop ship which is not the ship building we were originally discussing .

    Where a deck is lowered into the water by design specifics .

    The origin of this thread is the Titanic !

    A poor design that used lots of rivets that were not tightly fitted as suggested in the build .

    A hot rivet would cool down and in essence contract in size leaving possible play in the design .

    I suppose it could of been worse though , as a riveted twins towers and poor quality grade steel !
     
  13. Q-reeus Banned Valued Senior Member

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    On cooling its contraction in rivet length not diameter that matters. Creating rivet tension, which secures the joint better by friction between plates. And enhances water-tightness. Those shipbuilders weren't stupid.
    I recall a doco which pointed to a coal bunker fire prior to sailing, which took a long time to control, that weakened a section of hull right in line with the iceberg hit.
    Whether it would have sunk anyway no-one can say for sure.
     
  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    So you didn't mean

    Drop ship

    Is that the technical term for a semi-submersible?

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  15. Spencer666 Registered Member

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    Not true ! Length and diameter is important . A 19mm ''bolt'' has play in a 20mm hole (example)


    In a few of the youtube videos I watched , I didn't see any T plate join welding between panels .
     
  16. Spencer666 Registered Member

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    That is the term for a ship that can lower it's deck dropping off cargo into the ocean . A mechanism to launch ships or other .
     
  17. Q-reeus Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Check 2nd main para here:
    http://www.difference.minaprem.com/joining/difference-between-hot-riveting-and-cold-riveting/
    Backs what I said.
    ???? Is it a habit to spring something never brought up as though someone else had raised it?
     
  18. Spencer666 Registered Member

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    Hmm, no!

    Just because it says something somewhere , that doesn't make it physically true . Riveting would be better if the plates and the rivets were both equally in a state of heated expansion .

    In engineering we heat fixtures to remove stubborn fixings such as a bolt . The surrounding metal expansion allowing the bolt to become more free . Basic scientific thermodynamics .


    A (T) fixing is an inner plate that is formed as a T shape . This fixing is placed between two adjoining panels from the interior , the ''leg'' facing outwards .


    Then a few welding tacks are done to hold it in place

    The leg is then grinded down to a flat finish from the exterior

    The weld is then completed in the form of seams

    For additional strength depending on requirement , rivets can be added to the over hang T-flap

    -T- demo (obvious the T is flush against the plates )
     
  19. Q-reeus Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Nonsense. That would achieve nothing useful.
    Chalk and cheese. Preferentially heating the metal surrounding a frozen bolt works mainly owing to differential expansion. First hand experience of that. Hot riveting is quite different.
    From that bit of ostensibly intimate metal working knowledge it's reasonable to conclude you are a he not she.
     
  20. Spencer666 Registered Member

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    That is somewhat a contradictory statement my dear , the law of physics do not differ to agree with ones owns subjective understanding .

    A rather sexist statement !

    You can assume I am a diversiologist and consultant , that is my scientific background . As a diversiologist I have intricate knowledge of several sciences , this includes design and construction based on quantum ergonomic's .
     
  21. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    This only reference I can find on drop ship

    Anyway I think I will not Iggy just yet as you have some amusement value

    Not much, but some

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  22. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Scientific terminology makes a distinction between a line and a plane.
     
  23. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Economic's what?
     
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