Absolutely Nothing: Atheists on What They Know About What They Pretend to Discuss

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  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Careful Alex, he'll come back and deny that then ask you to show where.
    Just the typical reply from the usual radical gullible creationist/IDer, when he/she/it is backed into a corner.

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    I'm not needed Alex, you appear to have dismantled him. His Overlords wont be happy when he goes home tonight and will probably confiscate his white charger.
     
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  3. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Which points?
    As a start answer the questions in my last two posts to you.
    You’re a strange chap Alex.
    On e moment we seem to be getting along, the next, you’re being patronising.
    Is this an Aussie tactic?
    I get you.

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    Who mentioned anything about feeling uneasy?
    What do you mean by concerned?
    Check out the title of the thread,
    I’ve no idea what you are talking about.
    Maybe you should reiterate.
    I would love for you to elaborate on that.
    But that would be a pointless request. Right?
    Lol!!!
    Paddo’s a lightweight.
    You’d stand more chance.
    Lol!!!
    Why would you think that?
    Evolution is a fact.
    Nope. You said out in the open.
    Good.
    Then act like it.
    Huh???
    So you can choose what to believe?
    Are you sure about that?
    There is truth in your jest.
    From His perspective.
    Good.
    That’s all that was needed.
    Why would it have been a difficult question?
    Because I accepted it from as long as I can remember. I’ve no reason to change my mind.
     
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  5. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Is that what this attitude is about?
    Lol!!! You guys are funny.
    It’s nice to be able to have laugh in this lockdown situation.
    It’s a pity you are reluctant to play.
     
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  7. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Not points...questions.

    They were addressed earlier.

    How can I be patronising when I am being humble?

    Let me check.

    I will leave you longer to think about it.

    Done.

    I doubt it.

    Would it?

    I doubt it..I am far too humble.

    Good you can tell when I am being playful.

    Fake news???

    It sure is.

    I was in my van as it was raining.

    It's not an act you read too much into my clumsy expression.

    It should come as no surprise.

    Yes and no.

    No and yes.

    Yes truth just runs like water for me.

    Of course he would ..he is God after all.

    Happy to assist.

    Because Newton wasn't born yet.

    I asked about a globe not God.

    I found a neat video re "Dawinism" it sums up everything I find compelling...would you like me to post it...I had it But lost it and it will take a lot of effort to find it again but if you want I will find it for you.
    Alex
     
  8. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes but when I put him back together I had some pieces left over.
    Alex
     
  9. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I thought your responses were rather glib, and characteristic of this game you’re playing.
    By not being humble, and patronising.
    This is what I mean.
    Being playful is good when it does not overshadow the discussion. Moderation should be employed.
    It’s not your expression, it’s your content.
    That makes more sense.
    If you are unwilling to participate, I see no reason to carry on this discussion.
    Another pointless response.
    There’s truth in your jest.
    Why assist?
    We’re having a discussion.
    If you don’t wish to discuss your belief, which you claim to be science fact, just say so.
    I enjoy talking with you, but not when you’re trying to act slick.
    ???
    If you have the energy for that, why not use it to enhance this discussion. The chances are I would have already seen it.

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  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I found a certain beauty in your response to anonymous (on ignore)

    Alex's Lament
     
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  11. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Why should that make any difference?
    I’m asking you, not them.

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    Infinity means many different things, depending on when it is used. The word is from a Latin word, which means "without end".

    the state or quality of being infinite.

    time or space that has no end:

    Infinity (often denoted by the symbol

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    or Unicode ∞) represents something that is boundless or endless

    Limitlessness, unlimitedness,
    something which is growing without limits or bounds.

    Note that I stated; “The idea of the infinite, can be used to describe God.”
    By definition, I might add.
    What are you talking about?

    Alex!
    Why do you recommend this dude?
    He’s a pushover.

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  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, the last resort when Jan is losing the argument - start to try to redefine words.

    But really, what does "word" mean?
     
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  13. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Without end?
     
  14. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    And I gave you the latest example of your changing definitions, Which like any scientific theory, adds even more certainty to my accusation. I will also add dishonesty to that after viewing your latest replies and attempts at trying to look reasonable.
    Thank you for parroting what I have told you.
    Except of course as you well know, that there is no evidence for any infinite being as redefined by you.
    Ahhh, even more evidence of obtuseness and dishonesty.
    Darwinism and the theory of the evolution of life is a fact, as is Abiogenesis. You need to live with that and avoid your irrational denial.
     
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  15. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    What part of “by definition “ evades you?
    Lol!!!
    That’s what you believe.
    Really?

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    If what you say is true. How can any body be wrong, or even mistaken?
    Please try and think about that before you go blurting out the first thing that spontaneously generates in your head.
    Then again, your belief means that you can never be wrong.

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  16. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Just the fabricated definitions you make up to support your mythical beliefs, and as I and others have already accused you of.
    Embarressed nervous laughter I detect?
    No, that what the science and the scientific facts tell us.

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    Sure!! Think about it [if you are able] once there was no life: then there was. I'm speaking of course on universal Abiogenesis, as Abiogenesis on Earth still may have been "seeded" by life elswhere...Panspermia.
    As has been detailed to you previously, people are sometimes brainwashed into mythical belieif when young, and are simply never capable of moving on to scientific knowledge and fact, people [like you] have an over-riding agenda and baggage that skewers their objectiveness, so that they are never able to move on from the myths pounded into them when young.[like you]
    All I'm blurting out Jan is some scientific facts like Darwinism, the theory of the evolution of life and universal Abiogenesis, which shows your own unsupported creationist/IDer beliefs as both superfluous and mythical.

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    Obviously you appear to be getting somewhat frustrated which with the climate we are now all facing, may not be beneficial to your well being. I suggest an aspro and a good lie down?

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    Jan claims the word infinity means many different things and then proceeds to put definitions all meaning the same thing.

    Mythical, undetectable, invisible, fantasy and non-existent can also be used to describe God.
     
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  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Jan is a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. He believes that he is the only one who understands the metaphorical nature and the deeper meaning contained in the spiritual truths contained in the bible.

    What he does not understand is that we all know exactly what he is experiencing in his mind and that it is egocentric nonsense. He presumes to teach us his truth, without even listening to other perspectives, which in his mind are so far inferior to his revelatory divine inspiration, that while he reads what is being said, he does not deign to think about it. To Jan atheists are like ants reaching for the sky, while he, Jan is the earthly keeper of the holy ant-farm as declared in scripture and which charge he is executing with dilligent devotion.
     
  19. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Wow! Yet another accusation.
    It’s amazing the lengths you will go, to avoid discussing your beliefs.
    I hope you know what’s going on in my mind, otherwise discussion would be pointless.

    Now you appear to be playing the victim.
    Wow!
    As from now.
    I will not make any enquires from y’all, about your belief in darwinism. It is clear to me you can’t handle it.
    Atheists are people who lack a belief in God.
    I don’t think you are fully aware of the full extent of what that entails.

    I could compile essays on each of these subtitles;

    1 You say there is no evidence for God.

    2 As atheists, you cannot know if there is evidence, or not.

    3 You openly reject, and deny, the definition of God.

    5 Your atheism has nothing to with science, or logic.

    6 It is due to a non acceptance of God.

    7 Your non acceptance of God means you cannot believe in God.

    8 Hence atheism.

    Rebut that, if you can.
    Stop playing the victim.
    Stop shifting the focus towards me, by pretending you’ve addressed points, when you haven’t.
    Prove me wrong.
     
  20. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Yet you accuse me of inventing new meanings.
    And yet you have the audacity to call me hypocrite.
    The cracks are showing brother.
    Keep typing.
     
  21. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    ,
    You sure know how to hurt a guy.

    However my humility and the teachings of Jesus dictates that I reply again in the best manner I can.

    First of all, to give context to my difficulties in not giving you a more detailed reply, I type here with one finger on my small phone, I do not use my lap top or desk top, which would relieve much of the difficulty, because I need to lay down a fair bit and in those times enjoy the sheer pleasure of coming here, a pleasure that I sincerely say Jan is greatly enhanced by you and Paddo, and certainly all the other wonderful and exceedingly brilliant people who post on this site, reading here is entirely uplifting, however as you could expect typing with one finger on a small phone forces one to be brief and perhaps more casual than one would like, well certainly for me as I would much more enjoy providing you with all the material that has me confident that Dawinism, in so far as explaining, among other things, the diversity of species, yet my limitations somewhat prevent me going into my deeper thoughts in depth leaving you understandably suggesting I have not addressed your questions, so please forgive me as certainly Jesus would call upon you to do.
    Forgive my overall brevity you deserve more.
    If I was able to comfortably use a keyboard whilst on my back I assure you we would both be more satisfied.
    However, reading between the lines, a skill that you demonstrate with such precision I feel excited to try it myself, I think, reading between your lines, you may be trying to demonstrate that it is not always easy to define in a simple specific terms why one can hold a certain belief and indeed condense many hours of research into desirable chunks that will somehow convey all you know in a couple of simple sentences. And I feel your demand for simple answers to a question that has no simple answers is your way of telling those who have acquired the noble skill of reading between the lines, that just as you find difficulty in providing simple answers where you feel there is none that even those who place their confidence in sciences will find similar difficulties when pressed on what intially seem like simple matters.
    Nevertheless knowing all this, even knowing what Jesus expects from each of us I can not layout something short that can give you an inkling of the material I find presented by "Darwinism" compelling.
    And clearly everything we think we know falls into a category of belief in so far, as you point out, we each ultimately rely upon material that we find compelling or not and that even truth and fact can be elusive...but I must pause, as I fear I may only be putting words in your mouth, to permit you to reject anything I have covered trying to analyse your position, that I may have misconstrued.
    However I find using just my phone is a wonderful thing as it forces me to use simple words.
    Often I can think of words that provide the luxury of being concise but I find using a Thesaurus on the phone simple just far too tiresome and often for me, and I suspect others, one can find a useful and far better word if one has the list that helps selection of a better word.
    And often one will find a word that although in ones memory it's infrequent use requires a further check via a dictionary.
    And perhaps if using a lap top or desk top referencing material would not be as energy consuming as on a phone.
    So continuing my efforts to be concise I can not give you perhaps that short answer you seek somewhat like you can not give me the short answers I seek.

    Good answer, clearly well considered, but you overlook the fact that humility is as much a part of me as is my crook legs, certainly both can be seen as a burden by others but I must accept the cards I am dealt, lay down often and be humble...When I was a Christian I focused on the positive teachings and I came away believing humility was an admirable quality. I am happy with it particularly when in the presence of folk who are perhaps at the opposite end of that scale.
    I certainly do not feel happy to be accused of being patronising as certainly it is not, as you may say, in my heart, but I would say part of my personal...yet if there is one strength I believe is my most precious, is the ability to see myself as others may see me...and I can see why you may think I am patronising and all I can offer is perhaps it is a glimpse of a past from when I was a smart arse kid.

    I never (and I reserve that word for important occassions) wish to offend you, or others Jan...I sometimes think me saying " they did not even know where the Sun went at night" could be offensive but when I say that I merely try to transport the reader back to a time where they did not know stuff like that and certainly not to show any disrespect.

    I find discussing my view of the Bible difficult as my views are perhaps too deep and my observations too historic too be met with understanding from others...and then my efforts to be casual are perhaps too casual...I just don't know..what do you think?
    Yes I see your point.
    I don't like to blame others and I will not but by way of explanation which you most certainly are entitled to have delivered free of back stepping qualification, I say that I, perhaps wrongly, thought I was playing the game somewhat like you...and as it is written imitation is an indication of respect and admiration...and I merely tried to be like you Jan...it's not your fault..it is my fault..I could not play the game the way you play it as I am just not that clever.
    I understand you but ....
    Being unable to go anywhere without risking death is at the top of my list.
    But nevertheless true.
    Would there be a chance that you would agree with it?
    Let us discuss why you reject the facts contained therein.

    Alex
     
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    I only quote this as otherwise it will not be seen. W4u perhaps is not prepared to play with you these days..I am not sure.
    Alex
     
  23. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Show me the fabricated definitions, or I am going to report you.
    Nah!

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    But you should feel embarrassed.
    You’re turning Alex into a liar,
    ->-<-
    Could God be the cause of life on earth?
    From your perspective, why is brainwashing , and it’s results wrong, if we are purely natural creatures?
    Is rain ever wrong.
    Are the oceans and rivers ever wrong?
    There is only objectively in your bizarre world view.
    Can rain ever be, in and of itself, subjective.
    It’s a good thing I’m thick-skinned, or I would be offended by all these ad hominems you love to throw at me.
    But I understand that is all you have, so I will let it slide.
    The situation is really serious man.
    Let’s not make light of it. Okay.
     
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