Is consciousness to be found in quantum processes in microtubules?

Mathematics describes the mathematical imperatives physical forces must obey. Change the value of the force and the mathematics require a new equation in behaviors.

Is gravity a physical object or a geometric tensor?

Quantum Geometric Tensor (Fubini-Study Metric) in Simple Quantum

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1012.1337.pdf

i.e. the relative values in any action dictate the mathematical functions of that action.

Christoffel symbols
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christoffel_symbols

 

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This is nonsensical. It literally says that mathematics describes itself.


When we remove the redundant nonsensical part, what we get is:

Mathematics describes the physical forces.

There you go. I have repaired your religion by turning it into science. I imagine this is a good day for you.

 

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Yes it does.
a) mathematics have great predictive value. The actual creation of Higgs boson is an example of predictive mathematics. No prayer has ever been answered by a supernatural "listener".
b) Mathematics is a self-referential processing system and falsifies itself. Something is mathematically allowed or it is mathematically restricted. No dispute is allowed.
c) It provides a clear concept of a hierarchy of fundamental orders in the transmission of causal information, which allows the self-formation and evolution of complex patterns without the need for supernatural miracles.

 

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Universal mathematics dictate the function of the physical forces.

Questions; What physical forces are present in Chaos? Are mathematical patterns present in Chaos? Are mathematical patterns instrumental in the formation of forces?

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/describing-nature-math/

 

Not really, it says that mathematics are self-referential (equations).

Therefore these forces are proven to be of a Mathematical nature and not of a Divine nature.

Lol,......you are placing mathematics on a par with religion? Where, if at all, do you see similarity in the two abstract concepts of explaining the observed physical expressions and patterns in nature ?

You are really advocating for "irreducible complexity", but as we know physical matter is ultimately reducible to non-physical relative values and quasi-intelligent mathematical functions inherent in the spacetime geometry.

Causal Dynamical Triangulation is a hypothesis of the unfolding and evolving fractal structure of spacetime itself .

Causal dynamical triangulation
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Beyond the Standard Model

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Simulated Large Hadron Collider CMS particle detector data depicting a Higgs boson produced by colliding protons decaying into hadron jets and electrons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causal_dynamical_triangulation

 

More Chinese Room emissions.

Your idea has no predictive value.

You did not invent mathematics, so describing what mathematics can do is a clear indication that you are note even comprehending what you're reading.

Your idea has no predictive value.
A universe that operates the way you say it does is indistinguishable from our universe. Thus no test can be done to falsify your notion, and your notion predicts nothing that can be tested to see if it's true or false.

 

You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you?

You see buzzwords and use them without understanding them.

You're trolling.

So If I describe these forces in English, you'll then have to conclude that the forces of the universe prove to be "of an English nature"?

You really don't understand how language works.

No. You are. With your prayers and mantras and an intelligent universe.

 

I do understand the buzz words, that's why I use them.

Here you are using the buzz words indicating lack of logical argument.

No, I know the difference between "abstract" values and mathematical "physical" functions, and a conscious, motivated mystical creative Being capable of emotions and intent.

All concepts of gods are fatally flawed......All concepts of mathematics are qualified perfection.

 

No, it proves that they are "of a Universal nature". The motion of particles can be described in any language.
OTOH, the mathematical language is that Universal language which is an agreed upon a standardized symbolic language. Mathematics is the ONLY language that fits the requirements without assuming any unknowns.

Cosmologists from all over the world proclaim that they are "discovering" the mathematical nature of the Universal cosmology. The Great Math Mystery is not really a mystery at all.
OTOH, the God Mystery is an unsolvable mystery of the highest order.
No has ever discovered evidence of God!

Where is the controversy?

 

OK, so no, you don't know what they are, since there are no buzzwords in that sentence.

Controversy? There is none.

You have an idea. You're allowed to have ideas. But flinging around scientific terms like they have any validity in your idea doesn't make it less nonsense.

Anyway, I'm all out of troll-food for today. You'll have to go hungry.

Repeat your prayers some more for me please.

 

Well, prayers don't work in my world....mathematics do.

 

In reference to "Viruses; Life or no-life?

Microtubules in Viral Replication and Transport

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23379770/

 

This is another visualization by Drew Berry

 

Artificial consciousness is already performing on a quest of self-improvement and organizational refinement.

 

That is just plain rude. This is a blatant and purposeful attempt to derail this thread.

You're just a very unpleasant person. Moreover you contribute very little to any of the conversations.

I guess posting on Sciforums is more to relieve your RW frustrations than for contributing to general knowledge.

 

QUOTE="Write4U, post: 3636319, member: 261885"]That is just plain rude. This is a blatant and purposeful attempt to derail this thread.
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Before you go pointing that finger anywhere else, look at the thread title, and then look at your last dozen or so posts.
You took this thread down the rabbit hole long ago.

 

What kind of argument is that? So, you allow religions to make their claims? After all the notion of a God is indistinguishable from all other scientific hypotheses.
Let's pray instead of doing the maths. After all, it makes no difference, no?

The difference is that if "my notion" is correct, it completely changes the fundamental concept of the properties and potentials of the universe and by extension how science must be applied to understand reality and consciousness.

 

A scientific one. This is a science forum.

This subforum is about theories. Yours is not a theory, since - as I just pointed out - it is unfalsifiable.

Take this to Free Thoughts, and stay on topic.

 

This thread is about Microtubules

As always, you spam your own thread with your intelligent universe religion.

Don't be a hypocrite by accusing someone else of dragging it off-topic.