Are we made in God's image?

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  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Don't....I'm OK matey!

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  3. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    No not Ad Hominem, that's your cop out, and while maybe Ad Nauseam, perhaps it simply needs to be said again and again.
    And yes, I truly feel sorry for you.
     
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  5. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    A Seniors moment Alex, don't let it worry you. Remember, we are there, the young turks have yet to get there!!
    As is recognised, nothing wrong with an argument from any professional relevant authority, in fact it needs those links as often as possible.
    I wouldn't worry about winning either. Unlike Jan and Seti, whose qualities only indulged ID and creationism, Vociferous's fanatical "qualities" appear going on his posts, extend to much more, including guns, redneckary and all that it entails. Sad.
     
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  7. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    In your own words and another example of whinging .....
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And how do you know that this organism is alive? A filum is not a living organism, a flagellum is a purely chemical motor. The motility it affords becomes part of the gradual emergence of "living" organisms. You won't be able to tell when and where that happened, except for the hard fact that it did.

    5. Microtubules in E nucleofilum
    (Also found in: Thesaurus, Medical Encyclopedia,
    Wikipedia).
    fi·lum, noun
    A threadlike anatomical structure; a filament.[/quote]
    https://www.thefreedictionary.com/filum

    Starting with a set of bio-chemicals that can divide and acquire motility begin to behave as living organisms. That is the abiogenetic bridge between purely dynamical chemical behavior and abiogenesis to a living organism. The rest is just evolution by natural selection.

    Chemical Approaches to Dynamically Modulate the Properties of Synthetic Matrices

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    https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsmacrolett.8b00808


    It is when a dynamical bio-chemical pattern becomes self-sustaining and is able to self-duplicate (procreate), that it may be called a living organism. It's not that difficult to envision.
     
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  9. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    LOL! Thank you for that. I needed a laugh.

    To be fair, it is true that filum are not living organisms. At least you got that much right. But your video showed the filum of multinucleated eukaryotic cells, which are living organisms. The axopodia were not isolated from a living organism. So it seems your understanding of the science you cite is woefully inadequate.

    Yes, filum are the thread-like anatomical structures of the living eukaryotic cells in your cited video, which never once shows solely chemical behavior independent of a living organism.

    Again, LOL! Hydrogels simulate the chemical environment of living cells to investigate how living cells respond to differences in their environment. Modeling controllable aspects of human tissue is just a simulation of what living cells respond to. It has nothing to do with creating life in a lab. Hydrogels are just polymer chains that are attracted to and dissolved in water. You do know that polymers aren't alive, right?

    No, all you've done is conclusively proven your dearth of scientific understanding on the subject. Take some real classes.
     
  10. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Yet funnily enough, none of your smart arse mockery, sarcasm, and arrogance invalidates in any way, the facts that your spaghetti monster is a mythical superfluous, invention by ancient man.
    “The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.”
    ― Carl Sagan, Cosmos


    "For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.”
    ― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark


    “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
    ― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark


    “The universe is a pretty big place. If it's just us, seems like an awful waste of space.”
    ― Carl Sagan, Contact
     
  11. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Jeez!

    Why should you even care whether God exists or not?
     
  12. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly, Beer w/Straw!
    Just striving to fully understand The Universe as it is now is what Science is about.
     
  13. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Personally I don't

    Problem. Lots of people do. If it stopped there all would be fine

    Problem. It doesn't. My god has rules about how I should live and you should follow my god rules

    Problem becomes big problem. I do not have to follow rules which are not law

    We will make our god rules, which are his LAW, into puny Minion law

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    (Looks nothing like Russell Crowe)

    Big problem just became massive problem

    NOW I care

    If only religious people didn't care about us not living by gods law

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  14. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Regarding the ten commandments, I've heard that in the Vatican they have before and after documents locked away of the number of shagfest orgies.
     
  15. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Regarding

    The Jewish tradition that there are 613

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments

    shagfest orgies - from the past are a fairly open secret to any historical religious study and TV religion series

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  16. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    And as it was, and as it will be, up to its "use by date"
     
  17. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    F*#% me man!

    At first I thought you meant 613 orgies...
     
  18. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Na the number would be far north of 613

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  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    About the Ten Commandments. George Carlin demonstrated that the Ten Commandments has to be man-made and is basically an advertisement..

     
  20. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Why didn't he tackle the 613?

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  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And which eukaryotic cell is that? E nucleofilum is not an organisms but a microtubule?
    The behavior of the pseudopodia are purely electrochemical responses to external conditions.

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    Chaos carolinense, an amoeboid having lobopodia
    Via extracellular cue,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudopodia

    p.s. bacteria actually communicate via a chemical language, as do non-living viruses.
    This mode of chemical communication is called "quorum sensing" and you do not have to be alive to react to chemical "messages".

    OK, Eukaryotic cells are 'barely" alive, they evolved from the Prokaryotic cells that came before and are even closer
    to non-living purely dynamic chemical patterns.

    Anything more primitive than that gets into the bacteria and viruses and viruses are not considered alive . There is you missing link!!

    Bacterial Cell
    https://www.cellsalive.com/cells/bactcell.htm

    IMO, the missing link between being alive and behaving in a quasi-alive manner is found at the viral stage of evolving life, such as viruses, including Covid-19

    Virus

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    SARS-CoV-2, a member of the family Coronaviridae
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus

    You see the little portrusions at the surface? In the E nucleofilum, these little chemical patterns are replaced by the pseodopodia. Alive or notalive, that is the question. And if we need to ask that it is evidence that we are observing an intermediate stage of abiogenesis, the emergence of life from non-living chemical patterns...

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    OK, your turn.
    Is this chemical pattern of the E nucleofilum, which is a deadly invader of living organisms, alive or not alive?

    If it is not alive but exhibits some characteristics of living oeganisms, then it MUST be the intermediate state from a purely non-living bio-chemical pattern into a living biological biome.

    If that's not enough, you'll have to bring something else to the table.

    From my perspective, there is clear evidence of an evolutionary abiogenetic process. If you look long enough, this becomes clear and uncontroversial.

    The single question reamaining; Are viruses made in god's image?
     
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  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Ask Beer w/Straw.....

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  23. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Are we now in the realm of god looks like microtubules?

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