No, you just can't manage to comprehend pretty simple reasoning. Just because there may be a God doesn't make it necessary to understanding traits inherent to a species. We don't have to posit a God to observe that fish have fins, and neither do we need to posit a God to discover that humans have natural rights.
Neither god nor the natural world give rights Rights being given is a nice concept and universal rights give many people that warm fuzzy feeling "I am just as good as you" Not true, but no harm (?) in dreaming Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Again, you seem ignorant of the terms you try to use. No equivalency was drawn. Fish fins were not implied to be in any way equal to natural rights, hence "observe" versus "discover". The latter is nowhere near as obvious, obviously, as the former. You really should be able to accept that many things don't require reference to a God. After all, aren't you an atheist?
Almost all natural phenomena are discovered through observation. You may want to look up the definition of "observer" in QM en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Observer_(quantum_physics) I propose fish-fins are a result of an evolutionary process that gradually refined the propulsion method of fish as different from say, an octopus. Yes, I accept that nothing requires reference to a God. I accept that the notion of a God is wholly vacuous and that evolution is a complete and "sufficient" explanation of all extant patterns in the universe. There is no irreducible complexity. No inherent rights, no inherent privileges. Just a mathematically ordered "Causal Dynamical Triangulation" of some 32 relative values processed by mathematical "functions". Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Guess .......? https://www.britannica.com/science/analysis-mathematics/Elaboration-and-generalization#ref848251 Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! If a variable y is so related to a variable x that whenever a numerical value is assigned to x, there is a rule according to which a unique value of y is determined, then y is said to be a function of the independent variable x. Common Functions https://www.britannica.com/science/function-mathematics You have right to be a mathematical pattern, like all other mathematical patterns, that's all... E = Mc^2 ... Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
QM? Wow, what utter scienc-ish nonsense. Googling some random science reference about "observer" doesn't make whatever dull point you imagine it does. Aside from that being a term of art, specific to QM, you should have at least noticed that it doesn't mention anything about discovery. That's because a fish's fin can simply be observed, but discoveries, like gravity, actually require applying reasoning to our observations. People always observed that things fall, but it took Newton applying his reasoning to discover a systematic explanation of why. And evolution would be a discovery, requiring reasoning that observation alone does not provide. Otherwise, you couldn't observe your own hand in front of your face without first reasoning out why. It's completely laughable that you make any pretense to understanding science at all. Your repeated and uncomprehending bare assertions are just sad. Pity that so much energy goes into so little actual learning. Your scienc-ish blather is a shame to your education and a blight on the scientific community in general. You just keep post crap that you seem to think makes you look smart. Too bad Dunning-Kruger will never let you go.
May be???and there maybe a Unicorn in my man cave at this time...or Little Red Riding Hood may be tatsting Papa's bear porridge, or more to your liking and beliefs, Cinderella and the Mad Hatter teas party is now commencing. Let's get down to the nitty gritty Vocyiferous old son, any god is superfluous and not needed...it's ancient pre scientific dribble, for the gullible and fearful. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
In these so called god given rights, especially the right to life, can someone please point to the paragraph which goes something along the lines of We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness - with the following exceptions you engage in stupid dangerous actions someone engages in stupid actions which may affect you you use up your allotted existence period (no we will NOT inform you of the length of your life). Such information is classified Please also note there are other restrictions on your god given rights not listed here. Read our disclosure statement at youwilldienomatterwhat.heavenhell.inc Please also note further terms and conditions apply and are subject to change without notice We are working for US so don't stuff up our cosy racket. You will regret it and we reserve the ability to withdraw each right (singular or collectively) at your detriment with no recourse or do over refund Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
No, it took the observation of a falling apple that was the cause for Newton's "discovery" of the Law of gravity. https://www.britannica.com/science/gravity-physics/Newtons-law-of-gravity Observation! Evolution was an observation of finch beaks and mouse color that led to Darwin's Origin (and evolution) of Species. https://www.ck12.org/book/cbse_biology_book_class_xii/section/10.2/ Observation. Let's keep it short; All recognized and symbolized Universal Laws (Constants) are products of direct or indirect Observation (measurement).
Mirror, mirror, on the wall.........Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! You just keep posting crap that you seem to think makes you look smart. Alas, looking into the mirror will only reveal your own projection.....Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
That might well be the way you excuse it, based on assumed heirarchies and the like. The way I figure it is that animals don't always have a good moral sense. As a rough guide, I'd say their level of moral understanding varies according to brain complexity. If they don't understand that something is immoral, it makes little sense for us to judge them based on some assumption that they ought to understand. Might makes right? Good. Now apply that understanding to the example of a two-minute old fertilised human foetus vs a grown adult human being and you might make a moral discovery. I got it the first time, thanks. Applying the term "rights" to "what will be will be", or to ideas of "natural dominion" is a bizarre notion, for reasons I explained but you apparently chose to ignore (or at least leave unaddressed).
If there were no god given rights all the "gnostics" would know very little. If there were no Heavenly rights we could get raped and murdered forever, it's like your turning the human race over to the devil because you cant understand things, and we all know.
Why do you think "Heavenly rights" are needed in order for human beings to tell that rape and murder are bad?
Completely biased perspective based on subjective self-interest. You are making it all up. Nature doesn't give a damn whether you exist or not, but it does care whether you stay within the bounds of Natural Laws. We are already in the midsts of the 6th extinction event. WELCOME TO THE ANTHROPOCENE AIR, WATER, AND WEATHER Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Rights? The right to destroy the ecosystem of this planet? Ask mother Nature about that, see what her response is. Don't expect Nature to bail you out from man made climate change, which might be the extinction of most life on earth, including humans. And guess which species is much better adapted to surviving another global extinction event than humans? The lowly insect . p.s. To the natural ecosystem ants perform very important functions ; Ants Support a Healthy Ecosystem Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Ants often farm aphids, much like the way humans farm cows. With a lot less release of methane....Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Do ants have a right to farm aphids and do have aphids a right to be protected and cared for by ants? Or do human have the "right" to decide which species we can kill (all pests?) Your false sense of self-importance has no limits, does it? Do you thinks the earth would be any the worse off if humans went extinct? It's entirely possible, you know that don't you?
You keep getting sillier. Now, you're saying life forms in the food chain only have the right to be food. Hilarious.
Would you comprehend what it means to wish to be? Would you not want pleasure safety and life for the rest of time. You cant prove there is a God, but cant disprove it so talking about this is a moot point.
So could you list these god given rights and point us to where they they are written. Why is there no god given right not to be raped? Not to be murdered? Not to starve? Who is there not a god given right not to be a victim...you could think that god given rights are just made up like the rest of the nonsense...Gods are man's invention that is entirely clear ..in fact the god of the bible was first invented by the Summarians ..was one of three gods back then...that is one of those fact things that theists ignore because to realise that is the truth their house of cards becomes very flat. And if we follow this creator nonsense we must ask if a god capable of all things could not create animals that did not kill other animals...so when are you going to realise it's all made up, created by primative humans and only well received by folk who have not learnt to think for themselves. Anyways ..god given rights...where is the list and why did victims not recieve any god given rights... Think about that as you try to go to sleep tonight. Alex
