Does Chaos Theory prove a Mathematically Ordered Universe

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Spacetime IS the mathematical physicality (geometry) which emerged from Chaos.

    I think you have mixed the terms "organization" with "complexity".
     
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  3. river

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    But can not prove that 1+1=2 is true , mathematically , in and of its self .
     
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  5. river

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    Define Chaos .
     
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  7. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Bullshit again river. Firstly we don't need to "prove" 1+1=2.....Numbers are fixed concepts that derive from maths...Maths, you know, the language of physics, and that which disproves and invalidates near everything you claim...hence your ignorance and down playing of it.
     
  8. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Not bad....spacetime=geometry=gravity.
     
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  9. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Did I say there was anything wrong with it?
    I said, you can read?
    You made a statement not quite accurate...I simply made it more accurate. Plus you were totally wrong re chaos.
     
  10. river

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    Define Chaos
     
  11. river

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    Numbers in the Physical have Tangible Three Dimensional Physical Substance .
     
  12. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Already have and you failed to understand...post 249

    More bullshit word salad.
     
  13. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Nothing to wrong with that, as our laws of physics, and GR fail us at t+10-45 seconds.
    But also worth considering, as entropy [disorder] increases with time, that early period was more ordered....ordered chaos?
     
  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    PHYSICS does neither, PHYSICS DOES WHAT PHYSICS DOES AND NOTHING HAS A DEFINITION

    Us Minions come along with our anthropomorphic concepts
    • that arrangement of stuff we will call chaos
    • that arrangement will call a pattern
    • etc etc etc
    WE shrink wrap OUR definitions so tight around STUFF we are defining we start to think the definitions are the STUFF they are wrapped around

    They are NOT

    From
    • OUR concept of chaos to
    • OUR concept of order
    • NOTHING in PHYSICS changes
    Stuff is moved about and has a different look but PHYSICS - no change

    PHYSICS does not organise or make complexity

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  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think that follows. Entropy and Complexity (patterns) are different beasts.

    What Lies Between Order and Chaos?
    James P. Crutchfield
    http://csc.ucdavis.edu/~cmg/compmech/tutorials/wlboac.pdf

    Entropy as Time's Arrow

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    http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Therm/entrop.html
    http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Therm/entrop.html
     
  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Right, when you start applying Human symbolisms as fact.

    Just as MATHEMATICS DO WHAT MATHEMATICS DO AND NOTHING HAS A DEFINITION.

    The term "Physics" doesn't do anything either. It's an abstract human symbolic construct of imagination just like the term "Mathematics".

    If you cite one as a real property of nature, then you must also recognize the other. The terms we use are merely symbolic descriptions of how things work.

    The Universe does not need any human descriptive language. Humans do!
     
  17. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    No

    Physics is operation of PHYSICAL STUFF

    MATHEMATICS has no physicality

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    Laws of physics still universal, studies find
    Two independent approaches to testing a fundamental prediction of relativity confirm Einstein was

    on the money. Andrew P Street reports.
    https://cosmosmagazine.com/physics/laws-of-physics-still-universal-studies-find/#

    continued.....
     
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    continued......

    Scientific law

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    Laws as consequences of mathematical symmetries
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_law#Properties
     
  20. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Posts 275 and 276 unread

    Try real real really really hard to shorten post

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  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry for making it unnecessarily complicated.
    Just read the highlighted portions. I believe those are in context of the immediate conversation.

    The rest is for those like myself, learning as I go....

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  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yep, we are in agreement. Physics is operation of PHYSICAL STUFF in accordance to its relational values and mathematical functions.
    True, but PHYSICALITY does have mathematical properties.....

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  23. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Like this diagram
    Now
    Shorten text 275 AND 276 (both in one) into 278 size and add above diagram

    Will read and perhaps add to my references list

    Thanks

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