Non-Sense of Macro Evolutionary Faith

The Scientific Peer Review System has become equivalent to a system of Peer Pressure, in the field of Evolution.

Everyone must bow the knee or face Ruin.

You are right, people are not killed, like the Catholic actually did kill, but it does strip them of respect, credibility, of having a voice in published journals, and ruins their careers.

You are very correct, it is not as bad as the Catholic Church was, so we can all be so proud and all thank God for that!

It only suppresses alternative perspectives and views, it does not kill the perps.

I guess we could all throw a party and celebrate.

You all, please go ahead!

I will just sit in a corner, watch, and eat a bowl of ice cream. Perhaps Peanut and Chocolate!

Care for a bite?

 

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That's just because you don't understand it - and thus requirements to support one's results with repeatable experimentation and valid reasoning seem like onerous and unfair burdens to you.

It does indeed do that to scientific frauds. It's one of the ways we determine what is valid science and what is self-serving woo.

You are very confused.

If the language spoken in the United States has a dozen words based on Greek myths - myths written in a different language, from a country six thousand miles away - then yes, it is entirely understandable that China has one word based on Christian myths from Jews who lived ten times closer.

If you think this is NOT understandable, then explain how you accept the divinity of Atlas, Eros, Chronos and all those other Greek gods alongside your god!

 

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While I am 100% certain that I am not perfect, I cannot speak for or judge anyone else well enough to say that they are or are not.

1. I am not perfect.
2. My thoughts in general are not perfect.
3. My thoughts about others are certainly not perfect.
4. I do not have the ability to judge the motivations of others perfectly, by a long shot!!!

I have opinions, like we all do, but I do not judge my own heart as being capable of perfectly judging the hearts of others. I make mistakes. And I don’t want to misjudge others, so I really try to avoid doing that.

But I still fail at times.
I would suppose, like pretty much we all do.

Hey, save this and feel free to use it against any of my arguments, any time.

Who knows? It might come in handy for you!

Just trying to help!

 

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I did not know that the Jews were ever the Cultural and Otherwise Center of Thought in the Ancient World about 5000 years ago. When the Chinese Written Language was being developed. (Got any evidence for that one?)

Like the Greeks and Romans were much later?

Your argument works beautifully for the Greeks!

But not for a pitiful little band called the Jews.

If the Flood never occurred the Chinese would have known that it never occurred. They were far closer to it in time than we are now, by thousands of years.

Why would they fix and imbed it into their culture, into the very foundations of their language? You really have not provided a sufficient reason for this at all.

You guys often talk about how obscure, backwards, archaic, stupid and on and on the Jews were.

Again, it is unbelievable that another Culture, in this case China, with their own rich and valued pre-existing history and traditions and religions, would base their written language foundations on the religious ramblings of such an obscure little band of nobodies.

Totally Unbelievable!

Nice try though!

I think they did it because it was already known and accepted by everyone in their Culture as fact.

But, as I said, I am not perfect!!!

 

The Chinese are very well acquainted with flooding. Possibly better than any civilization in history.

The Yangtze and Yellow Rivers are notorious for flooding as long as history shows. "The Yellow River (Huang He) has flooded 1,593 times in last 3,000-4,000 years, while its main course changed 18 times and created some of the highest death tolls in Chinese history."

The Three Gorges Dam - the largest power station on the planet - was built partly in an attempt to mitigate flooding on the Yangtze that has occurred since prehistory.

This is common historical knowledge. Any person not living under a rock knows that China has fought flooding for millennia.

How can you be so ignorant of world events and history and yet till have the temerity to speak?

 

?? No one here claimed they were, nor have you established that that's why the word is what it is. Indeed, there is only one word having to do with a flood in China, whereas there were a dozen English words influenced by the Greeks

So you never answered. Is Eros equal to the Christian God? Or is he more like Jesus, part of a trinity? (Quadrity?) After all, there's a word for him in English.

?? Where do you get that nonsense? Millions of floods have occurred throughout the ages. The flooding of the Black Sea was a big one (and likely where the Noah myth came from.) China had a huge flood around 2000BC that resulted in a 160 foot rise in water levels along the Yellow River.

Because they had a similar flood.

Nope, that's just you.

 

OK then. As you said, if someone is perfect, then evolution is impossible. You have admitted you are not perfect - so evolution is indeed possible. Per your own argument.

 

Oh, it is not that hard to be ignorant of a great many things!!! We all are!

And yes, I agree.

But you have not established a sufficient argument.

Which one of their floods involved exactly eight people specifically in a vessel, and was used to develop their written characters.

There is a lot more to this than just a single Chinese Character developed around 5000 years ago. Before any of the floods you mentioned. And before Moses was even born.

Many of their Characters are tied directly to the religious ramblings of the obscure and pitiful Jewish fantasy fables.

You guys need to make up a few fables of your own to suppress this right away.

When do Liberal Revisionist Scholars believe that the Torah was even written?

Because I think, if I remember correctly, that they believe it was written much after the Chinese Written Characters were developed.

Hmmm, perhaps both the Chinese and the Jews recorded the Flood of Noah from their own, passed down beliefs and traditions, completely separately.

Maybe, because it was known historic fact all around the World.

Wow, we really have to suppress that crazy idea right away!!!

There are others...

 

I said that I am not perfect.
Someone else like Beer, might be.

 

Nonsense! The peer review system, has the scientific methodology as its foundations. Do you know a better way or method for determining or invalidating some claim or hypothesis?
You know, the weight of evidence as has been explained to you many times.
Why should not the claim of some magical all powerful, omnipotent being not be subject to the scientific method and peer review?
Just because it fails miserably, is no reason to whinge and whine when scientists poo poo that mythical notion.

 

That is a steaming pile of bullpucky. It's not so much that fact you keep saying these things, but the fact that if you can't manage to hoist your religious beliefs up to scientific scrutiny, then you drag science down into the quagmire of crap you keep peddling here because you believe it should be heard, acknowledged and placed along side the same logic, reason and rationale used in the pursuit of science.

 

You said that far better them I have.

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Science can be Awesome!!!

But Science has failed miserably many times because of corruption, especially in the field of Evolutionary Biology.

With Frauds galore, used to force feed unproven theories down the throats of our children.

It does really get old!

Frauds in Evolutionary Biology have become the rule and are my expectation. It has been going on my entire life without apology.

I gave it a chance and I am done with it. I regard the entire field of Evolutionary Biology as being worse than or equal to a Religion. And today, it has even become a weapon used to ruin lives.

It makes that field of study unreliable and as untrustworthy as it has ever been. It has not changed.

It is always in a constant state of simultaneously making unproven claims and debunking itself.

One “fact” is raised on the throne and then debunked, to be replaced by another “fact” which is later debunked and replaced by the next “fact”...... year after year after year...

The “facts” and frauds we use to ruin the careers of others today, will likely be debunked later by the next fraud that replaces it.

That is the best system we have?

And we are all supposed to lay down and become sheeple, before the great story tellers. It is shifting and sinking sand.

I have been fooled far too many times, and I am done.

 

Likely the Yellow River flood. Eight people survived on a boat.

Once again, we have a dozen words based on Greek gods. Does that mean you have given up your belief in the Christian god and switched to a belief in Greek gods, since there is more than ten times the proof for that? Or are you a hypocrite who believes only in things that support your religious agenda, and denies the same arguments when they contradict it?

 

You say that. But when you get sick you still run to the doctor, rather than a minister (and rather than staying home and praying.) Because once again you know in your heart that your god does not really exist - but science does.

Sure, you post a lot of things on the Internet. But when it really matters, you trust science over god.

 

There you go again, off on another childish rant filled with lies, false claims and shit that smells so bad it would peel paint off a wall. I simply can't fathom the willful ignorance, the willful stupidity, the willful denials... it's absolutely amazing you can be this dishonest. All you have to say is that you know nothing about evolution, very little about science and understand completely that your creationism agenda is baloney in light of scientific discoveries, but you don't care one way or the other.

That, at the very least, would be honest. But, you can't even manage that.

 

And what makes you not like me?

C'mon, you can think you're way to perfection my friend.

 

Even if that were not juvenile falsehood from people who have no idea what they are talking about with terms like "Field of Evolution" (there is no such thing), it wouldn't matter - the universe does not care whether scientists are managing their peer review as they should. Darwinian evolution had been going on for a billion years before the first human scientist noticed the pattern, and it will continue to shape the world when the last human scientist is a billion years dead.

The choice we have is whether or not to understand it, to be curious about it, to care about and care for its operations and consequences.

You had to go back generations to find even one - and the real life biological scientists found it for you, before you were born.
The only way you can spot a scientific fraud is by having a scientist point it out for you.

You still don't know what "it" is.

You cannot state, in your own words, the Darwinian Theory of Evolution. You cannot state, in your own words, the Lamarckian Theory of Evolution. You cannot describe, in your own words, the supporting evidence or argument behind any theory of observed evolution.

When confronted with the physical evidence you cannot find on your own - even just one or two examples of the "overwhelming" evidence you requested, handed to you right here - you ignore it and return to claiming it doesn't exist.

What "chance" can you possibly have given something if you don't know what it is? How can anyone believe you have given something a chance when you pretend it doesn't exist right in front of them?

 

"They" also believe it was written a long time after the stories in it were first told.

Why are you confusing the origins of particular stories with the origins of writing systems? People have been telling stories for a lot longer than anyone has been writing them down.

 

I trust God over Science, because I have many reasons to do so.

I also trust Science in general, though not 100%.

Within Science, I distrust the entire field, of Evolutionary Biology.

And I partially distrust the field of Geology because it has been corrupted extensively by the field of Evolutionary Biology.

The Flood of Noah is a historical fact, but is denied, and rendered impossible only by the Naturalistic belief system of Science. By faith!

If you guys hate faith so much, why do you rely on it so heavily?