election 2020

Discussion in 'Politics' started by sculptor, Nov 4, 2020.

  1. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    I'd quit digging, if I were you.
    Too bad. That might have been relevant, and would at least have had some basis in my posting.

    Instead you attempted yet another personal attack on me, managed a remarkable and revelatory (for someone new to your posting) Freudian slip about post-Reagan Republican politics, and confirmed one of my repeated claims here: race is at the center of US rightwing politics.

    It's not the only thing at the center of a given Tribe member's - there's misogyny, the need to bully the vulnerable, the fear of being robbed, the insecurity of the uneducated in a modern industrial society, etc - but it's always among them.
     
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  3. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Amazing, someone who can
    • make predictions while asleep
    • type them out
    • post them

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  5. LazarusLong Registered Member

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    Seems like some amount of evidence is required to win court cases.. This election fraud nonsense is just a grift by trump. He has no plan on wining any of these cases let alone getting it to the Supreme Court. He has managed to rack up $170 million in donations, most of which are going straight to his brand new PAC.
     
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  7. POVphysics2 Registered Member

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    If you listen to the testimonials, you will discover that the elections in some counties are not secure at all. What the Democrats are doing is they're taking mail in ballots, putting them in a locked room, and if they need so many thousands of votes, they just rewrite the mail in ballots. Republican watchers are being locked out of the process, so the Democrats can do anything they want.
     
  8. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Ah so you're a conspiracy theorist as well as a physics cranks. That figures.

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  9. POVphysics2 Registered Member

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  10. POVphysics2 Registered Member

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    In secure elections we trust.

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  11. Bells Staff Member

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    Based on what?

    They have yet to actually present any evidence of fraud in court, let alone claim fraud in court. On the contrary, they have distinctly avoided fraud entirely in court thus far.

    There is no evidence or basis for the USSC to overturn the election and thus, ignore and disregard millions of voters.

    My money is on the USSC not even taking any of these cases. And on the very off chance that they do, they will knock it back to be reheard again in their respective States.

    And stop posting dumbass images and with massive font. It's annoying and frankly stupid.
     
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  12. LazarusLong Registered Member

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    Except that’s NOT what was happening at all. The process was the same as it always has been. Just because some people wanted an excess amount of “Republican” watchers, doesn’t mean that there weren’t any Republican watchers. In fact, if you read the court transcripts, you can see that even the trump lawyers weren’t making the claim that you are repeating... Do you get off on spreading misinformation??
     
  13. LazarusLong Registered Member

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    In PA the trump team was disputing something like 8000 votes. They then argued that all the votes be thrown out... Makes sense. Disenfranchise everyone because you might have found a discrepancy in a small percentage of votes? Yeah ok.
     
  14. POVphysics2 Registered Member

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    Votes have to be legal. To be legal, votes have to be signed. Have to be filled out correctly. You can only vote once. Both parties have the right to inspect votes; locking one party out so that they can't inspect votes is unlawful.
     
  15. POVphysics2 Registered Member

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    Why don't you affirm that we should have reliable elections? There should be audits. We should have voting machines that are very very difficult to manipulate. America spends over a $100 billion dollars a year on military to protect our nation from foregn enemies, but we spend only a few million to protect our elections. Why don't you agree with me that we need to make our elections hack proof.
     
  16. Bells Staff Member

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    They are.
    They were.
    They were.
    No evidence that this was an issue..
    They did.
    None of which happened.

    Trump's own lawyers admitted in court that observers were always in the room. Their sole complaint was that the observers were made to stand too far away and were then allowed closer. No evidence that Democrat observers were treated differently, nor did they argue as such in court.

    You had reliable elections.

    And then Trump lost and suddenly he has claimed that US elections are fraudulent. A claim he has made each time he has lost.. In 2016, he claimed that Ted Cruz cheated and that there was voter fraud and the election was rigged when Trump lost the Iowa caucus.. Trump always claims fraud and rigged process when he loses. This simply follows the same pattern.

    The problem now is that he is now trying to steal the election because he is a giant man baby who cannot stand to lose.

    There were audits. Several of them. To the cost of millions of taxpayer dollars.

    The voting machines were not manipulated to make Trump lose. Not a single lawyer has been willing to present this "evidence" in a court of law.

    People won't agree with you because you are spouting rubbish.
     
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  17. POVphysics2 Registered Member

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    I don't believe you. That's why we need auditing. Voters need to present their photo ID's. I'm not even sure if it's possible to make mail in voting secure; I really don't know. All I do know is that I don't trust Democrats not to cheat and lie about the election. You need as many watchers as you can squeeze into a room.
     
  18. POVphysics2 Registered Member

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    There should be a Work Instruction that tells poll officials how to handle ballots, from the time they show up (mail in ballots), how they are opened up, and the who process of where they go. How they are cured. The work instruction needs to be state law.
     
  19. Bells Staff Member

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    Of course you don't.

    Cheeto Jesus is pushing a different narrative and his believers will only listen to what he says.. Like in any cult really.

    They have been audited. Numerous times.

    Ironically enough, if all those who voted by mail this time turned up at the polling stations and voted, Trump would still have lost and he would claim voter fraud, like he did in the lead up to the 2016 elections (when he thought he was going to lose) when he said fraud was happening at the polling stations where people voted in person..

    It was always secure.

    You should ask Trump and his family. They voted by mail in 2016 and his daughter and son-in-law voted by mail in the 2020 election as well. Did they commit voter fraud by doing so?

    We know you don't.

    It's okay.

    The only person lying and cheating is Trump and his cohorts, who are financially milking this for all its worth.

    Why?

    There were watchers in each of the rooms and basically at all the tables. People could watch the vote count online as they had CCTV cameras beaming it out live.

    Each state has laws in regards to how ballots are handled, dates they have to arrive by, etc.

    So I don't know what you are on about.
     
  20. Janus58 Valued Senior Member

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    Trump's own Attorney General has just come out to say that they have not found any evidence of election fraud. Considering that Barr has been, up to now, letting Trump use the Justice Apartment as his personal attack dog, this is telling. It means that the Republican leadership, who have sitting on their hands and waiting to see if Trump could pull off his attempted coup, have finally seen enough, went to Barr, and essentially said "Cut him loose". However, don't expect for much to change in what they say publicly. After all they still have to string along people like you in order to keep their vote.

    As far as Democrats stealing the election goes: The Republicans have been working to steal this election for months prior to it, they simply failed. And is simply because more voters saw Trump for the conman and grifter he is than fell for the con*

    * And are still falling for it. One reason Trump is still beating the dead horse of election fraud is so that he can continue to ask for donations to "fund" his attempt to reverse the election. Of course it turns out that that 50%-70% of the money raised doesn't even go to that purpose but directly to Trump's coffers. One last grift on his supporters.
     
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  22. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    This sort of unbelievable stereotype is not an unusual phenomenon. To wit, if you're "not even sure if it's possible to make mail in voting secure", then the problem is your ignorance. There are multiple states that conduct reliable mail-in elections, and have for years.

    All you know is that you don't trust Democrats to not be cheap stereotypes invented by desperate Republicans? Sounds about right.

    You're simply not credible. Stop with the conspiracist make-believe. If you can't be bothered to get a clue, then stop bothering other people.

    No, really: You don't believe someone because you are ignorant? Imagine that.
     
  23. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Trump has apparently fleeced his supporters of about $140 Million so far. On Tuesday night at the WH Xmas party, Trump said to the folks there that the election was rigged but that he will, "See you all in 2024".

    In other words, Trump accepted his defeat.
     

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