Religion and women.

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  1. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    It’s more of a metaphor for something that comes with being human.
    The question is simple enough to comprehend.
    If I simplified it anymore, I probably be accused patronising.
    Thank you.
    Can I have a sticker
    Read the question again, then base you POV on the actual question
    For mankind
    It seems that way.
    Why do you?
    If it is natural, and you have no idea of it, there’s no point in trying to explain it to you. Just as there is no point in trying to explain God to you
    Everybody.
    There are those of us who will understand the simplicity in what I say. And there are those of us that won’t, no matter simply it is put. You appear to be of the latter.
    Are you asking me if I advocate tyranny in the family? No I don’t.
    Husband, wife, children.
    I gave a definition of emotion earlier. I think you should look for it, so you don’t make the mistake of falsely accusing me.
    You’re mistaken.
    Women are more emotional (look for my definition of emotional).
    Men can be just as emotional, but it is not a good thing IMO. We can see the damage, and carnage, that happens when men lose control and get angry. It’s not pretty. Men should learn to control these emotions.
    Because uncontrolled emotion is dangerous, especially in a man.
    That’s silly James.
    To you maybe.
    Do accept the conclusions of the OP?
    You are correct... aren’t you James?
    If I tried to break down the already basic point I made, I would be classed as patronising.
    What I write is what I mean (unless there is bad spelling or typos).
    If you’re clear you can copy and paste this quote in a search engine, I’m there will be stuff to make it clear for you. I’m unable to make something as obvious as that any clearer.
    Do I?
    Well ain’t that a... shame!
     
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  3. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    He’s a bit of a snowflake.
    Identifies as Christian, but supports anti-Christian stuff.
    I’m not convinced by him, or that ex gymnast turned glamour queen person, who wrote some that other stuff you laughingly call research
    That’s not research, if anything it is propaganda.
    It helps no one, and it creates division.
     
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  5. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    "Naturally prescribed" is a metaphor? Hmm...
    Okay. Did I answer it to your satisfaction?

    Sure. Here you go:

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    It's a metaphorical sticker. I hope that's okay.
    Mankind?

    All good, then!
    You go first.

    Sounds like a convenient excuse for your being unable or unwilling to explain what you mean. Maybe you don't know what you meant. A lot of your posts are kinda knee jerk, when it comes down to it.
    How so?

    You mean they'll read subtext into it that agrees with the subtext you intended but didn't state, for whatever reason.
    Good.
    Why?
    Nah. If it's important, I'm sure you'll define it for me as we chat.

    Why don't you tell me?

    I see. It's not emotion in general that's the problem. It's the specific emotion of anger. You should have said that at the start!

    Isn't it bad when women get angry, as well?

    Although, there are different reasons to be angry, aren't there? Some of them could be justifiable, I think.
    Uncontrolled emotion?

    It sounds to me like you're more worried about actions than emotions.
    I'm glad.
    What conclusions? The OP asked a question.

    Good.
    Is it, though?
     
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  7. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    But it’s ok to accuse religion and Christianity as the cause of men abusing women? Based on the smatterings of a few liberals? Do you have any idea how that could turn out if the wrong tyrant believes something like that. Have you forgotten the mass killings of the 20th century by communists who uphold the culling of of religion and the religious, due to their manifesto.?
    Maybe that’s why don’t get it.
    Can you tell when someone takes a comment personally, and proceeds to express them self from that point of view, even though the comment is not aimed at them personally?
    That’s being emotional. I use that example because we are seeing it here in droves.
    You say those responses of wegs that I put up as examples of emotion, which lead to her being irrational, were anecdotal. But that type of response is common in women, we just take it for granted. But if Alex can claim his hate of religion and Christianity as something that is researched, when it clearly isn’t, and you accept it. Then accept that women are emotional based on how women communicate, wegs being a perfect example. Don’t take it personally. If you don’t agree then state why. This is a discussion forum.
    Men and women argue differently, example shown. As wegs is not quite for me, you will find that MST of what she says, regarding this topic will be based in emotion, until she decides to address what I’m actually saying.
    As for bilvon, I don’t know what to tell you.
    He will not bend from his view.
    He will carry it on.
    It doesn’t matter what culture, there will always be a difference between man and woman.
    Men tend to be leaders (in most cultures), it’s just the way it is. I didn’t write the narrative, I only observe it. We don’t need emotional leaders.
     
  8. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    But I did not claim my hate of religion and Christianity has been researched...it has not and hate is rather strong and not on the money...I dislike religion and Christianity because it cons folk starting with early brain washing, using fear of death to have folk subservient...I feel pity for Christians.

    But don't worry I know what you mean..happily there is plenty of research and what I posted I admit was rather soft but now that you want research I will start bring it in...there is lots of it. And your statement about communism ignores the numbers christianity can claim...more than any other group...the difference was communists killed for essentially political reasons whereas the killings done by Christians has been of other religions or other christians, and cruel killings to boot..just examine the facts, burnings a preferred method.
    Alex

    Sorry to jump in but you were just to loose with your words I had to present the truth.

    Alex
     
  9. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    What was your answer?
    Thank you, they’re the best kind.
    Yes. Mankind
    Because an emotional man, can be dangerous.
    We have seen the results of emotional men all throughout the summer of last year, and the murder, and crime rate that has erupted throughout the USA.
    You step on my 2000 dollar shoes, I kill you. If I can’t kill you, then I’ll kill your family. Brah!
    Maybe if he stopped and thought for a moment, he may have come to the conclusion that taking someone’s life for something so petty is tad OTT.
    Now it’s your turn.
    It’s quite possible it could avoid situations like the one mentioned above
    It is the best chance for raising balanced children.
    You’re more unlikely to have scenarios like the one mentioned above
    A quick example
    Do you know the “does my bum look big in these jeans” scenario? If not, read my exchange with wegs.
    It can be, and it is getting that way, but generally it’s not.
    Like what?
    I’m not worried, I accept that evil must have it’s day. It’s more of an observation.
    That religion and Christianity are the cause of men’s abuse of women, or something as dumb as that.
    I meant to say “bitch” instead of shame but I didn’t know if that rhetoric is allowed here.
    Is it?
    Or will I be charged, again, with the bogus crime of being sexist.
    In my defence, I do not think that women are female dogs. I believe that women are purely human beings, your honour.
     
  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Jan:

    Here it is, again:

    Naturally prescribed? What does that mean?

    Are you asking whether we believe that women and men are constrained by their "natural" biological differences?

    It seems like a strange question. I believe that women, but not men, are able to bear children, due to biological constraints, for instance. I'm sure you also believe that.

    If you want to describe those biological constraints as "roles" that are "naturally prescribed", I guess you're welcome to do that.

    On the other hand, maybe you're not referring to biological constraints, and you think that society or culture imposes roles on men and women. If that's the case, I don't see what "nature" has to do with it. You ought to explain what you mean. Try to be clear.​

    Yes, but an emotional man can also be empathetic and loving and kind. You seem to be forgetting positive emotions.

    I can't really comment in a concise way on the reasons behind what must be many thousands of separate crimes in the US. Nor am I aware of the shoe case you are apparently referencing.

    Suffice it to say that I think it's a bit simplistic to blame "emotions" for these things.
    Because "pure" rationality - if such a thing was even possible - could never provide any reason to act.

    Balanced? What do you mean?

    I agree that it's good for children to have a stable and loving family environment. I'm not so sure about your claim that the best family structure is a husband and a wife and kids. I think that if you want to make a case for that, you probably should do that. Otherwise, it's just your opinion, which you are welcome to, again.

    It's not clear to me why you think the behaviour implied by that scenario would be restricted to women.

    Because women are less prone to physical violence than men, on average?

    Well, I might be angry at the lack of action on climate change, for instance.

    Evil isn't a thing, Jan. Not in the way you think it is. But I already said that.

    I think that both of those things can, in some cases, contribute to men's abuse of women. It would be dumb to think they couldn't.

    Do you think there's no such thing as sexism, Jan? How interesting.

    Why aren't you in there, fighting the good fight alongside paddoboy and Alex?
    You mouth the words, but I'm not convinced. Sorry, Jan. I have to go on the entirety of your words, not just the last little bit.
     
  11. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    No.
    None of that addresses the question.
    An emotional man will be blinded by emotion
    IOW let’s move on, because blatant evidence does not count in snowflake county.
    I have no clue what you’re talking about.
    Moving along...
    It doesn’t matter
    It’s not.
    Which is my point.
    Something like that.
    Ok.
    Feel free to give a demo.
    Hmm!
    You ask me a question, then conclude that it is interesting as if I answered yes.
    “Does my bum look big in this dress”
    No dear”
    “Why are you lying, you know I have a big bum”
    Ok your bum does look a bit big”
    “So you’re saying I have a big bum, how could you”

    Off her and her big bum go, to make up the sofa which will be his sleeping quarters for the next few days
     
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  12. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I still don’t understand how words on a screen, especially without using an exclamation point, are seen as “emotional?” What kind of wizardry is this?

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    Understand Jan, sexist men dismiss women in debates as emotional and irrational, not all men. I think if you said “hey, I’m a sexist because...” it would lend some credibility to your views but you deny that you’re a sexist, yet your posts drip of sexism.

    If you don’t see your posts as sexist, what do you consider examples of sexism? Sexism is a form of prejudice, so when you broad brush all women’s opinions as less valid than men’s, because women are more emotional, that is a form of prejudice.
     
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  13. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    Again, Alex, you can be certain that no one noticed that you were defending paddoboy against Bullying and Abuse in a Thread that only existed because of what a Moderator described as "A typically misogynistic comment from" paddoboy.

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    Is that clear, Alex?
    ......

    You are truly remarkable
    Not at all, you truly are remarkable, Alex.
    Like I stated, the impecable, infallable ability that you possess to personally accuse someone and proceed to personally determine their guilt with out being in any way, shape or form judgemental does not go unnoticed, Alex.
    Ergo...truly remarkable.
    Like I said, Alex, you can rest assured that no one could even remotely infer that any impetus for starting this Thread had anything at all to do with you trying to absolve paddoboy of responsibility for his seemingly Sexist, disrespectful actions and behaviour towards women because "he was raised a catholic and clearly they radiate a total disrespect for women..."?
    Or did someone else Post ?:
    Again, Alex, you seem to be able to selectively ignore the following Points, I even attempted to highlight the first one so that you couldn't help but notice...if you were to actually read my Post, that is :
    But the most important thing to remember Alex, is that NOT ONE PERSON in this Thread has disagreed with the notion that the Church and Religion is Sexist, nor has anyone tried to argue that the Church and Religion is NOT Sexist...

    And now we come to the Biggie, Alex!
    Do all you can, utilize all of the remarkable abilities that make you the Envy of so many, to refuse to see that only a Mysoginistic, Sexist, Disrepectful TINY LITTLE MAN(If you choose to call a sub-human creature like that a man?) would use the excuse that the Teachings of other Mysoginistic, Sexist, Disrepectful TINY LITTLE MEN(If you choose to call sub-human creatures like them men?) would or could or should absolve themselves of any personal responsibility for Mistreating, Abusing or Taking the Life of their Wife!

    Sadly, yes, Alex, I did read it word-by-inane-puerile-word...
    Did you read the response I Posted that I thought your little inane, puerile attack deserved?

    So to wrap this up, Alex, stay smug and remember to just keep telling yourself that ...I(dmoe) am the one that is wrong and everything I(dmoe) Post is driven by nothing but my Hatred, Jealousy, Envy, Dislike, etc...for paddoboy and yourself, Alex...
    Again...just keep telling yourself that, Alex...make it your Mantra...
    I do not seek nor need your accolades, Alex...and there really is no need for you to Shout or Yell DMOE....simply referring to me as dmoe wil suffice .

    Okay, so now please remember, Alex, all you need to do to maintain manliness(?) is to keep telling yourself...and, again, possibly even make it your Mantra, Alex :
    ...dmoe is the one that is wrong and everything dmoe Posts is driven by nothing but his Hatred, Jealousy, Envy, Dislike, etc...for paddoboy and Alex... ..dmoe is the one that is wrong and everything dmoe Posts is driven by nothing but his Hatred, Jealousy, Envy, Dislike, etc...for paddoboy and Alex....dmoe is the one that is wrong and everything dmoe Posts is driven by nothing but his Hatred, Jealousy, Envy, Dislike, etc...for paddoboy and Alex.....dmoe is the one that is wrong and everything dmoe Posts is driven by nothing but his Hatred, Jealousy, Envy, Dislike, etc...for paddoboy and Alex...Ad Infinitum...
     
  14. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Jan, give me the address for Jesus' vlog.
     
  15. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    He will never do that. He knows his opinions are sexist, and that if he ever expresses them he will be shown as such. So he "talks around" them to maintain deniability. He will often, for example, write in a very convoluted fashion so he never comes out and says "women are irrational." Instead he will say things like "some groups are emotional and irrational" and "that group includes the group I am talking about" and "I am talking about women." Then, when he is called on it, he claims "I NEVER SAID THAT!" because he can retcon his words to mean something different via a mealy-mouthed argument.
     
  16. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Don't be scared.

    It's the power of God.
     
  17. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I don’t believe for one second that you don’t understand what has been written. I’ll bet you can see how emotional and irrational you have been by falsely accusing me of being sexist while unable to bring a point where I undermine women, not to mention the parts where I say I don’t. This is a very poor standard.
    Yet you refuse to give explanation of why you think I’m sexist, or the parts of the post you think highlighted your accusation.
    As far as I can tell, I am sexist because you deem it so. Now you say I would be more credible if I just came out and said I was sexist. I guess Saddam Hussein would have more credibility if he had just came out and said he had WMD’s.

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    You are proving me right, that women are emotional, and uncontrolled emotion such as what you are exhibiting in these last few posts, is irrational.
     
  18. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    @DMOE...

    ... I noticed you liked wegs last post.
    Can you explain what about my posts gives her the right to label me as a sexist?
     
  19. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Let’s assume you’re talking about Jesus Christ of Bethlehem

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    Sorry I don’t have it.
     
  20. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Wow, you guys have devolved to “thought crimes”? Guilty because even though you said that, you actually meant this.
    No wonder you’ve done away with discussion.

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  21. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Not at all. You can think whatever you like; it's not a crime.

    No one here has accused you of a crime. Are you making stuff up again?
     
  22. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    You know it girl

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