Religion and women.

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  1. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Pre agriculture societies were, most likely, centered on a female deity
    I submit:

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    as per-agriculture mother goddess figurines. crafted during the last glacial period

    It seems that the advent of agriculture changed societal structures and values.

    The good news
    fewer and fewer are involved in agriculture
    maybe
    just maybe
    the problems of equality under a religion derived from the practices of agriculture will just fade away?

    but
    then again
    perhaps there was no equality in a goddess based religion either
    it could be that just a different gender was in charge.
    ?
    ?
     
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I did - but I fear you did not. It says that misogyny is NOT currently a crime. From the article: "There is no specific hate crime offence in England and Wales." Nor has anyone accused you of that. You are making up lies again.
    Shame on you Jan.

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  5. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I was trying to give him a crumb...I have been having these side private chats with others for ages, I used to do it with you all the time ..you must remember where I would rant to someone else about you as if you were not there..and I have done it so many times recently..

    .I started doing it to get someone to say you can't do that...
    as I wanted to draw attention to the fact that many members did this sort of thing...
    .however no one noticed....
    no matter how often I did it no one noticed..
    .so I drew the conclusion there is no point the people have no ethics don't treat them seriously...
    and the other day when I pulled DMOE up pointing out that was what he was doing he did not have the ability to realise that the thing I accused him of I have been doing for ages
    ...he could have pointed that out if he was not so consumed with hate that he just can not think...
    well you must remember and that was some time back..
    ..so in an effort to give him something to make him think he had got me I thought when I saw Weggs post that I will have one of these private chats and see if he picks up on it..
    .either way I would win the high ground ..
    I must say I am impressed that this time he picked up that I was throwing him a crumb and he jumped on it..
    ..and I can see him in my minds eye thinking he got one up on me but as you can see he fell into the hole I left for him
    ...but at least I was compassionate enough to throw him a crumb...he is so easy to trap because his hate stops his thinking process.
    But he wont learn ..he is nlw totally consumed with a need to be right and the mkre he tries the worse things get for him.
    And because he loses he thinks I am smug..as I said I just want to see him happy and get rid of all his hate.

    Anyways I am not going to contribute any more here..you and others have derailed the thread and clearly the mods won't do anything given its my thread to draw attention to and reprimand off topic posting...

    I guess domestic violence is too touchy...the deaths too terrible to accept..best to ignore it I guess.

    What is interesting is how folk happily say I am a hypocrite because in most all cases I have parralleled my behaviour to another member hopefully that someone will see that I am taking someone off to show their hypocracy...Anyways I don't care ..it is clear that no one here responds to subtle satire...well they don't even respond to a wack on the forehead with a cricket bat...just too thick.

    So now that I am leaving here you are left as the witch that must be burnt at the stake..you will be abused, bullied, lied about, mis quoted and have your mind read...and so you should because you have dared to offer an opinion..don't you know you just can not do that around here Jan..well you can if it is the group opinion..but don't be an individual that above all will not be tolerated.

    And I bet DMOE actually believes in god and the fact he does not go to the non existent church he does not have in his reality will have him saying he is not religious...he won't come out and say he does not believe in God but he will say he does not believe in religion.
    Not genuine so watch him.
    Alex
     
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  7. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    I am fairly used to having my Heart Broken...I hope I can survive...
    Wow, after only a few missives...
    Bummer, hope that you are not as crestfallen as I am about what you told me in your Post #298...

    Seems to be a lot of that going around, these days...Odd that these friggin' Masks don't inhibit the spread...
    Any possibility, Jan Ardena, that these "crimes" you speak of are in any way similar to the "bonded" thought that you alluded to previously?
    Heyyyy....Jan Ardena, don't fret, just hold your head up and show that you would never do anything in a similar vein.
    Geee,Goshhh, Gollleeeee...charged, tried and convicted, just like that...

    Meh...I wonder if "anyone anywhere" ignored my counsel, also...

    Tell me honest now, Jan Ardena, were you able to do all of that without being in any way, shape or form Judgemental?
    If not, you'll probably stay second fiddle for at least a wee bit longer....
     
  8. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    This is why I don’t think even with new legislature, and workplace changes, etc we will ever be rid of sexism. Because it’s a problem of the human heart. It was a problem during Biblical times and it still is, sadly. That’s not God’s fault - God created men and women to get along and didn’t create one inferior to the other.

    Although, I do wish Eve hadn’t eaten that apple. . .

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  9. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    Odd, but some might use the adjective dis•in•gen•u•ous to describe the behavior that you admitted to in your Post #303...

    To be completely honest, some might even "use the adjective disingenuous to describe behavior that's not totally honest or sincere." https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/disingenuous
     
  10. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    Always stand by your God, Wegs, and your God will always stand by you.

    You know that!

    Please do not let the plethora of men(?) weaken your faith, Wegs...you are immensly stronger than all them...combined!!!!

    And you know that too, Wegs...
     
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  11. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    We’re all works in progress dmoe, but thanks for saying this. ((Hug))
     
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  12. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Why not just discuss?
    What’s the point of playing mind games?
    This place is becoming totalitarian.
    It reminds me of 1984.
    People don’t have any integrity, or individuality anymore. Doesn’t the truth matter?
     
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  13. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    God created Eve to be Adam’s helper.
    Adam had Dominion over his female helper, and because he listened to HER instead of his FATHER, the poor man had to marry her.

    So the big question...
    Is God sexist?
     
  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    So a perfect god creates a imperfect product

    Built to get along but don't. How did that defect get passed Quality Control?

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  15. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I’m in the middle of watching Marvel timeline.
    This sounds so similar.
    Are you a Marvel fan?
     
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    As portrayed in the Bible, yes. Of course, he also supported polygamy, was homophobic, wanted conquerors to rape the women they conquered (after killing all the men and children) etc. So not the best role model.
     
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  17. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I don’t believe Adam was “over” Eve before “the fall.”

    No, God’s not a sexist. Why would you question that?
     
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  18. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    DMOE is like the mma fighter who gets knocked out gets up and stumbles around the ring swinging in mid air when the other fighter has left the ring with the championship belt around his waist...that's it he is punch drunk having taken so many blows he is becoming incoherent...keeps saying the same words over and over as if others are supposed to know what he is talking about...he can't just realise the better man won...the mma fighter not DMOE...he knows who won but he just can't move on...can't say he does not believe in god it seems so there I was right yet again...I don't believe in religion..God is not religion trip....ho hum

    Well been working hard and finally got all my rocks all laid for my concrete pad and I am just so proud of myself because as I can hardly walk it is a monumental effort...not falling over is the big thing as I am so unsteady just on normal ground but on crushed rock just standing is such a big deal...but I lean against things and use two walking sticks and dont let my crippleness get in the way of really enjoying life......, it just occurred to me to take three of the remaining strings off my new electric guitar and use them to re string my three string, fret less cigar box guitar..and see how it goes through the amp I bought for the electric guitar...now if I was filled with hate I probably would not thought of that...

    .the guy is coming to give a quote on putting in a small beach on my dam ...I have always wanted my own private beach but I worry about tsunami at an ordinary beach, and you have to buy a whole island if you want a beach, so I think just a little one to cover the mud and have a nice place to Sun bake will do nicely...Will cost bugger all...10 or 20 ton of sand from elsewhere near here...nothing...plus another guy is going to repair my little jetty so I can get in my little boat..sure its only a dam but I will be one the water...I did want to sail aroundcthe wirld single handed but this virus thing probably will push things back so far I just wont be ablecto do it...a mate has a boat that will do it..needs fixing but would be a relatively cheap adventure...well there are no rules being applied to stay on topic so I can rave on as long as I like..folk knowcnot to read my stuff so it does not matter...maybe I should get a bit more active ablut the solo sail aroundcthe world thing...I wantedcto becthe oldest man to do it but some guy older than me did it recently...but you can see the appeal just sailing around doing nothing.

    But it really is nice to do so much work and come here and read all the nice things people say to each other....


    I think one will always feel better if you are doing physical work and seeing actual results for your days..keeps you normal rather than just spending all your time on the net hating people you have never met like DMOE does..he needs to get outside more and forget me and Paddo...but he can't.
    And it is nice to see he is forming a nice relationship with Jan and what he may not know is Jan will wipe the floor with him...but it's really good DMOE hangs in there..he puts up one he'll of a fight for an old man..good on him I say.

    Alex
     
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    Read the original story as told by the Sumerians who created the story of Adam and the garden...and the flood...there are plenty of YouTube videos...all very interesting...and the storys covered by the videos were written at the time ..we have the clay tablets so it just like being there..also you can learn how god was invented by them and was one of three gods at the time.

    Alex
     
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  20. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Why not?
    God created her as a help for Adam.
    Not even as a wife.
    Or do you you have a different take on it?
    Im not questioning it.
    I asked you the question.
    If you believe A&E were the first humans, then woman was created to help man. You agree wit that. Right?
    Generally the “help” in any situation, is not equal in status to the one they are commissioned to help.
    Also why did Eve listen to the Serpent, was she not satisfied with her masters?
     
  21. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    He threw me under the bus.
    The man’s a beast.

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  22. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Do you take the bible literally?
    Alex
     
  23. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    For you religious folk here is a YouTube video to get you started.
    Tell me what you think of the content.

     
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