Religion and women.

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  1. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Alex:

    I'll have a try at the question in your opening post. It's a difficult one to answer.
    Religions tend to be very resistant to modifying their own teachings, because the acceptance of those teachings give the religious authorities power over their believers.

    Rather than wholesale rejection of the teachings, most religions that undergo a reformation instead try to reinterpret the teachings. They de-emphasise certain parts and emphasise other parts. The can re-label what are considered "core" tenets of the faith and those which are merely "advisory" or "historical".

    There's a huge amount of difficulty with the word "all" in your question. I doubt that "all" religions which teach that women are inferior to men can reject those teachings. That idea might be too deeply embedded in some religions, or their sects, for them to realistically permit change.

    You might think that maybe the problem could be solved in a different way, by abolishing all religions. However, once again, I think there are huge obstacles to the practicality of achieving that. In any case, that kind of forced "solution" would not amount to the religions rejecting their own teachings; it would merely be an application of force that would tend to drive those teachings underground.

    In short, I think that your idealistic aspirations in this regard, though coming from the right place, are not a very achievable goal, at least in the short term. Over time, it is possible that religions that teach that women are inferior may die out of their own accord, as might religion itself. But, again, that would be different to their rejecting their own teachings.
     
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    The topic is religion and women. We have Jan here who is both a very religious person and sees women as inherently different than men, and believes they should be in different roles than men. He uses religion to support his claims and justify his sexism.

    The question you asked is "What can be done to have all religions reject their teachings that women are inferior to men?" In Jan we have a perfect test case; if you can get him to reject his interpretation of the Bible in favor of a more equitable one, you would have a strategy that would work.

    That seems to be pretty on topic.
     
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  5. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Now that you explain it that way that seems reasonable. Thanks.
    Alex
     
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  7. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, I can see that, it is just that DMOE does not seem to be genuine...I know I am burring up but he wont take his beating and is just acting like a pork chop.
    Anyways I have had a great day and finished my concrete pad rocks and concrete ...all done...and now to play some blues full tilt thru the new amp on the cigar box guitar.
    Feeling much better having got out and got some decent food.
    Thank you for considering the matter.
    Alex
     
  8. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    We could at least try it for a couple of centuries.

    Just imagine what we could do with the resources that are currently wasted on religion...look at the money poor folk would keep rather than being conned out of....just think if we got rid of their carbon footprint for a start...after a couple of centuries no one would want religion back...and if Jesus does not like it he could make an appearance ...but that will never happen.

    Alex.
     
  9. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    So now the thread becomes Religion and women and pork chops?

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  10. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    No they’re not
    Don’t know what you’re talking about,
    Moving along my...
    No and no.
     
  11. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I’ll leave you to figure that one out
    And if the answer is no?
     
  12. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    That wasn’t the point of the question.
    Wegs is a theist meaning she believes in God.
    According to the Bible, her choice of scripture, God created women to help man.
    So my question is specific to her.

    God has to be Absolute. The idea of one day finding out for a fact that God is sexist, is kind of a silly notion. It like saying if one day you find out for a fact that at the direct centre of the earth there is a cheese and pickle sandwich...
    Agreed, which is why I would like a response from wegs, on whether or not she thinks God is sexist. Because according to popular understanding of the Bible, God made women to serve man.
    She?
    Ok let’s go with that.
    She created women as a help.
    Are you a theist?
    As I said, the question is specifically aimed at wegs. Let’s see what she has to say on the subject.
     
  13. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    As you are the one making the claim of religion being the cause of men abusing their wives, or something dumb like that, you need to explain what it is about those scriptures that forms the cause of misogyny. Are you ready for that?
     
  14. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Probably calling DMOE a pork chop was a bit over the top ..it was rather radical but I think he deserves it...

    I told a mate that I called him a pork chop and he just could not believe it...he said no one is actually that stupid are they..well I said what else can you say about a bloke who believes in god but says he is not religious..he said yes you are right he is a pork chop alright...

    Now as you gather that alleged conversation with my mate did not take place but I said it did to draw attention to how these god folk are always saying god spoke to them...I mean I can see I am indulging fantasy but these folk who chat with god..well pork chops what else can you say...

    Now that he is not here let me say his position that he is not religious yet he clearly believes in god really is something that will get you called a pork chop every time...it's worse when you realise the pork chop is actually smarter.

    I have lost faith, er confidence, in the left so I am thinking of a new direction...and I have come up with the "Up" position for politics..it is not left, not right, not center left but up..at the moment there is no opposition because as as yet there is no down side of politics, ...that seems so wrong but I wont let that stand in the way of creating the "UP" side of politics..it will have what all sides of politics lacks..truth, honesty, justice and respect for all.
    Dogs will have to wear pants which will be Sortta a similar thing to sexism...Dogs although inoccent just have to wear pants..that is reasonable isn't it.
    I just hope the left does not pinch my idea there...
    Hope you are getting a little better each day.
    Alex
     
  15. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    You are a perfect example of why men should not be emotional.
    Pull up those scriptures
    Let’s take a look at it
     
  16. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    No I don't.. I dont have to explain a thing...religion is all about making unsupported claims ...if you choose unwisely to call those references something dumb I can just ignore you...you are the one that has to prove they dont exist.

    Anyways I am the one asking the questions...is there any of those directions from god listed above that you refuse to subscribe to?..

    You failed to answer the question if you thought Jesus was dumb...are you still thinking about that one?

    Do you keep a list like that when you talk to a woman?

    They must be great for your confidence...heck if I were married I would have them mounted and framed and hung all around the house..more in the kitchen and laundry of course...and a particularly big one in the bedroom...they are after all gods word.



    Alex
     
  17. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Isn't there three..you know the old man, the son and the wholly ghost...they may each hold different views..probably they do..the old man is clearly sexist, the son seems ok, wholly ghost who knows..you dont hear about him much but he is there...
    Alex
     
  18. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Yes you do.
    No it’s not.
    You’re the one making claims right now.
    Your claim is dumb, not the references.
    And now that you refuse to explain how your claim is valid, it’s even dumber than previously thought

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    I’ve no idea what you’re talking about, please explain.
    What are you talking about?
    Huh???
    Annnnndddd.... he’s gone off again
     
  19. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Talk about derailing your own thread
     
  20. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    You are only saying that.

    Tis so.

    Which claims?

    I would like to see you try and prove that.

    What claim?

    The directions above from god.

    The question I asked as to you thinking Jesus was dumb a while back..if you would answer these question at The time you would not now have to waste your time looking for them.

    Does that mean you think it is a great idea or have you already hung your god messages on how to treat women.

    Do you have any space left on your walls for more biblical messages?

    Alex
     
  21. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Talk about avoiding an answer.
    Alex
     
  22. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Yes they are. Nyah!

    You didn't understand the question? How strange. It was quite straightforward. Or maybe you're just playing dumb.

    Good; and yes you do.

    Okay. I think you're on record as believing in the Genesis story, including the part about Adam and Eve. I'll go with that.

    Then you're still sexist, for the other reasons I gave.

    Haven't you read the bible, Jan?
     
  23. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Only?
    Not
    Was it the same time you said there’s nothing wrong with drinking urine?
    No
     
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