Is consciousness to be found in quantum processes in microtubules?

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Continuing exploring the micro world, the earliest forms of evolutionary processes on which all of life and possibly consciousness is founded.



     
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    In furtherance of post# 1839

    Frustule

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    Scanning electron micrographs of frustules from some algae species - scale bar = 10 micrometres in a,c and d and 20 micrometres in b
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frustule

    Diatoms Reproduction
    Reproduction in diatoms can take place by two different processes, sexual and asexual. The following article will help you to gain information regarding subject of reproduction in these tiny single-celled algal species.
    Asexual Reproduction
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  5. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Write4U:

    You look like you're blogging.

    Is there something you'd like to discuss?
     
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    I'm not sure I know what that means. I am merely posting some recent scientific developments and discoveries on the thread's subject matter.
    Sure, but no one seems to want to engage on this subject except for some snide remarks about quackery.
     
  8. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    It means that you're just cut-and-pasting everything that grabs your interest at this instant in time, from elsewhere on the internet.

    You apparently want people to just react to long posts of random wikipedia excerpts and the like, on disparate topics. You post a lot of definitions, like you've just discovered them.

    It's great you're reading and learning stuff, but this is a discussion forum. If you're only posting to say the equivalent of "here's something I found today that interests me", without having any aim beyond that, it's unlikely to attract much interest from other forum members. More importantly, duplicating random bits of information available elsewhere on the internet just takes up space on our servers, uselessly.
     
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    No I don't grab everything. Stop the exaggeration, please.
    I only quote what I believe to be of interest to several topics currently under discussion.
    No, I want to make sure that the definition I am using is properly understood. In the past I have had to waste reams of pages explaining some of the definitions I have used, because they were misinterpreted by people who only had cursory knowledge of some definitions and were not aware of the underlying and sometimes "common denominators" in different definitions.

    So I post definitions to clarify precisely what I mean and avoid confusion and possible misinterpretation. It has resulted in minimal discussion on semantics.

    As to overloading the servers, I just discovered how that happens. This happens not because of the posts per se, but of the hidden links in some of the quoted materials which refers to a large data base.
    I promise to be more careful in quoting links to related materials. The server does warn when a post goes over 1000 words.

    And when I quote someone else's verbose post, it also counts toward the total words of my post, so in future I shall be more discreet in quoting a statement I wish to respond to.
     
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    Are plants conscious? Seems they are. They are aware of light for one. What causes plants to process the direction from whence the light comes. How does a plant acquire Heliotropic abilities? How about response to chemicals? How about response to sound?
     
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    Continued from Chemical Evolution.

    While this thread started as reference to the possible role of MT (neural network of the brain) in the emergence of consciousness, the reference library I compiled also addresses the MT role in the cytoskeleton of both Prokaryotic and Eukaryotic organisms and in particular their essential role in mitosis (cell division), as well as the earliest dynamical mechanism for motion. Microtubules must have occurred very early on in the transmutation from pure chemistry to biochemistry and cell division.

    Most Prokaryotic and ALL Eukaryotic organisms have a "common denominator" in microtubules. This would suggest the very early self-assembling polymerization of just 2 tubulins into a bipolar coil structure which acts as a variable rheostat for transport of electro-chemical information. MT are the heart of the neural network and is present by the trillions. Each cell may have hundreds of MT . The brain itself has billions of MT, including the formation of pyramidal memory storage blocks.

    A simple example:

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    Image of the mitotic spindle in a human cell showing microtubules in green, (chromosomes (DNA) in blue, and kinetochores in red).

    Microtubules control the exact copying of DNA, a remarkable ability akin to true computing.
     
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    Cell biology

    The first microtubules
    Nature volume 480, page416(2011)Cite this article
    Apparently MT are not instrumental for mitosis in bacteria which have circular DNA and divide by binary fission
     
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    Microtubules Nonlinear Models Dynamics Investigations through the exp(−Φ(ξ))-Expansion Method Implementation
    by Nur Alam and Fethi Bin Muhammad Belgacem

    1 Department of Mathematics, Pabna University of Science & Technology, Pabna 6600, Bangladesh
    2 Department of Mathematics, Faculty of Basic Education, PAAET, Al-Ardhiya 92400, Kuwait

    Author to whom correspondence should be addressed;
    Academic Editor: Reza Abedi
    Mathematics 2016, 4(1), 6; https://doi.org/10.3390/math4010006

    Abstract
    https://www.mdpi.com/2227-7390/4/1/6/htm
     
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    My guess is that Roger Penrose might be interested in the Chaim Tejman M. D. theories on Wave Theory and their connection to the origin of life?

    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/chaim-henry-tejman-m-d-wave-theory-and-the-origin-of-life.164134/
     
  15. river

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    Yes

    More than Humans , No

    Plants . Light is there very being . Without light plants would not exist . So for plants to be aware of light is not a surprise .
     
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    From Write4U ,

    Evolution .
     
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    From Write4U ,

    Such as , roots .
     
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    What , what Heliotropic abilities ? What are these abilities ? Give an example .
     
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    No, leaves have evolved heliotropic abilities.

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    http://lifeofplant.blogspot.com/2011/03/heliotropism.html

    Heliotropism is a proto form of evolving sentience sentience.
     
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    What? You back here again? I thought you'd gone for good.

    But I suppose the nutcase forum gets a bit tiresome after a while.
     
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    No it isn't.

    To be defined as life at all, any organism must be capable of sensing and responding to outside stimuli. It's one of the fundamental criteria.

    Your 'sentience' is an overreach.
     
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    Did you miss the term "proto"?

    What would you consider as the very first proto type response to outside stimulus? How about navigation? Cilia?

    There is no leap from chemical action in response to outside chemical stimulus to bio-chemical action in response to outside kinetic stimulus. It's all a matter of evolved sensitivity, via natural selection.
    IMO, just like abiogenesis, consciousness is an evolved property. No irreducible complexity.

    Seems you are talking about conscious response to outside stimulus, but that's a whole different story.

    Sentience

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience#:
     
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