Thanks for the thoughts Michael Life is not a force of the Universe . Universe being defined as that which is a part of the Periodic Table . In any form . Hot and cold . Life is force of its own . It Uses the Periodic Table , to survive , to manifest .
"Life" is not a force per se. There is no Elan Vital. But Life may be identified as a form of dynamical biophysical expression.
The Periodic Table has No Intelligence within it . The Periodic Table of Elements does not evolve nor adapt . Yes it is, Yes There is . Life is the Force of Intelligence .
Close but not driven by a motivated intelligence (ID). Existence of everything in the universe (including life) is a continuing process of dynamical interactions of fundamental values (quanta) via mathematically guided functions. A better term for this model is a "quasi-intelligent" mathematical processing and ordering of physical demand created of necessity by the presence of sufficient elementary ingredients. (Sorry Michael, there is no better model that I am aware of). The proof of this hypothesis lies in the fact that human symbolic mathematics allows us to analyse and model universal physical properties and dynamical interactive functions to a high degree of accuracy, including prediction of future probabilities. We understand the universe through mathematics. This is a falsifiable hypothesis and has proven practical application. There is no better alternative functional theory which is not founded in mathematics. AFAIK there is no defensible alternate hypothesis. p.s. @ river: I agree that physics is the substance of the universe. I propose that mathematics is the essence of the physical universe, not ID.
Energy and Matter , the Periodic Table , has no Life nor Intelligence . BS Write4U . Life and Life's Intelligence is not about design . But what Life is ; Life .
No, that's on your wagon. Life is just another form of imperative dynamical existence via mathematical "guiding equations". I agree, but why do you want to make it mysterious when we know how it works?
Because Life has always existed within it . We have discussed before that mathematics in and of its self can not create nor influence anything . At All . What guides the equations is the physical . Periodic Table . Whether you measure any dynamic or not is irrelavent to whether any dynamic will happen , has happened or could happen or not .
No it hasn't. Quantum fields are not alive. They have the mathematical/physical potential for Abiogenesis and Life. Ok, you have 3 apples and 4 people. Try to give each person a whole apple. You can stand on your head and you cannot do it. Your logic is non-mathematically guided by Scripture. The bible says it's possible. "Loaves and fishes" anyone? " Come and get it, there's plenty for everyone!" Noooo, the periodic table is a mathematical instrument. Atomic weights, types, all properly ordered by their mathematical properties. All of science is based the mathematics of that mathematical instrument . Can you produce the physical atoms for viewing? I bet "Loafs and Fishes" did not physically happen, it's mathematically impossible.
Write4U At some point in your thinking , if not already , you will understand that the physical underpins Everything . Not mathematics . But really you know that already .
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Physics IS the Substance , Physical Things . Mathematics is not the essence . Since it can not create anything . Mathematics is consequence of Three Dimensional Things , Physical Things .
Three dimensions is a mathematical pattern, a geometry. The Universe is a geometrical pattern. It provides the guiding equations of everything that happens inside it. Coordinates are mathematical spacetime locations. Physics are mathematical value densities.
To the Universe none of this matters . The Universe is physical , as a consequence it will have three dimensional geometry and patterns . Because it is Physical . Coordinates , are indeed about space-time ( in space at a certain time ) . Because of the physics . If I take away the Physical of Things , there is Nowhere where Mathematics Could Exist .
Oh, the Universe "cares" about the physics? It's pattern is mathematical. Yes, mathematical coordinates. No the physics are a result of mathematical value densities, patterns. Quanta are discreet packets of energy values and can only be measured mathematically.
Closely packed . Light Energy , in the Universe , Always can be traced back to Physical Sources , Galaxies , Quasars , All the way down .
From my post#175 Light Energy , in the Universe , Always can be traced back to Physical Sources , Galaxies , Quasars , All the way down . Not only light energy , but All Forms of Energy . The minutest being sub-sub-sub of Atomics . It has fantastic Acceleration and Speed , therefore kinetic energy . And it is Extremely Cold , minus 273 Kelvin . Minus 400°F . There is little friction at these tempertures .
From my post#173 If I take away the Physical of Things , there is Nowhere where Mathematics Could Exist . Even a Universe devoid of life , is based on physical things .
In this universe any dynamical system, living or not, contains a mathematical essence to the dynamical activity. Even a state of Chaos contains a mathematical potential. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory# Universal mathematics are the guiding equations in all dynamical systems.