Black holes do not exist

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Luchito, Mar 3, 2021.

  1. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I agree it is a false dichotomy. But many scientists are religious believers, even today.

    However, none of this has anything to do with river. River has no coherent worldview, or not one he can express. River appears not to know how to think, at all, and seems unable to learn. As you will find out, in time, if you engage him.

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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Luchito:

    Not quite. You haven't said which invalidated theory it was based on, yet.

    Which theory are you referring to?
    So, there's no particular reason you think the black hole photo is a fake. You just have a general suspicion, based on nothing in particular?

    Previously, you wrote "A scrutiny made on the base foundation of the theoretical background supporting the existence of a black hole can easily show its falseness."

    Now you say you don't have a theoretical disproof after all. I guess you're withdrawing that claim, then?
    You're a creationist, I take it. How old do you think the Earth is, and what makes you think it's that age?

    Of course there are observable phenomena. Far too many to even start making a list. Please try googling "evidence for black holes". Look at reputable sources of information from universities, research institutions and so on. There's a ton of evidence.

    Before you start making silly claims, you should at least learn something about the subject you're trying to refute. Don't you think?
     
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  5. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Please give one example contradiction. You must have a lot of them. Enormous contradictions, you say. Hmm...

    After you've done that, can you please also tell me why you think scientists tell these lies about black holes? Or don't they know about the gigantic contradictions? Is there a conspiracy?

    There you go again about the theory. Is it that there's an error in the theory, which makes black holes theoretically impossible, or just that you don't believe there's any factual evidence for them, or both?

    If there's an error in the theory, what is it? Can you summarise, briefly?
     
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  7. river

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    James R
    Last post . I know there is , its in all the media . But what hasen't been explained by the media is alternetave theories as well . To the Same Observation .
     
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  8. river

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    From post#101 by exchemist

    Dicart what are you going to do ? Literally what are you going to do ?
     
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  9. river

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    Dicart

    Ask exchemist for evidence . Or look through some of my threads and posts . On your own . And come to your own conclusion .
     
  10. foghorn Valued Senior Member

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    I think he may have gone for a cup of tea and a slice of cake.
     
  11. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    I dont need to come to any conclusion.
    In my opinion... the truth is elsewhere.
     
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  12. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    Just finished the dinner.
     
  13. river

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    True

    The journey to truth has begun .
     
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  15. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    One of my less than awful qualities is that I can prove that I personally CANNOT KNOW the exact answer to any serious and big question.

    I can prove this by alluding to variables that have some sort of quantity and I prove that I AM IGNORANT of the specific number for whatever variation on quantity that that variable should be given.

    Thus.. you would tend to think that I am being pedantic or hypocritical to begin a discussion with this title....

    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/unified-field-theory-of-modern-world-problems.164127/

    Unified Field Theory of Modern World Problems....


    ... but..... I rather like being somewhat aware of my own rather extreme level of ignorance!!!!
     
  16. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    And do you know why you can not know ?
    Looks like a silly question...

    In fact, we can not know because the world is God's creation.
    God (like the gift He offered us) has free will.
    So, we can not do any prediction that God dont let us do.

    If He want to change the world behavior, his content etc, tchack !, here it is and you dont even be aware of it unless He want you to be aware of it.
    Tchack !, you have only one leg, and you dont even know that 1 second before He changed his mind, everybody had 2 legs...

    Furthermore, God do not anything like we do, He uses Angels (and there are many many many...).
    The angels are his "emmisary" making His Words become real.
    So per example, God say "let be an earth" and tchack, this happens.
    The details are left to the Angels (and the Angels know The Creator well so they can fullfill His Will).
    Therefore, what we see is only one of the many possibilities God's Word can manifest, due to the variants because the Angels have "some sort of" free will too, that add but not diverge from God's Will
    Like archers they "bend the reality" by any mean that God would agree, so as to hit the target designed by God.
     
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  17. river

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    This has nothing to do with whether black-holes exist or not . Why the tangent of god ? Not all arrows are a Bulls Eye .
     
  18. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Unevidenced claim.
    If the Biblical "god" exists (omniscient) there can be no free will.
    The rest of your post is mere speculation with zero evidence.
     
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  19. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    It has to do that every black hole (the space-time flows from upper to lower) is the entry to a new Universe, an these Universes are in fact what we call Hell.
    We, "on Earth" are at a very high level of "hell", and the next level (up) is Heaven (other inhabitants dont have the chance, but is it if you dont know this... to live in a world so peacefull like Earth).
    Due to the expansion of space-time that occurs everywhere, the inside of every black hole is a fully constituted Universe.

    I agree, and this is how thing must be.

    If God exists, omniscience and free will are not uncompatible.

    You are right, knowing what you think would interfere with your free will (like with quantum mecanic where the interaction of the observation destroy the independant behavior of things), so is God invisible by purpose.
    But as you have to pass from one world to another (so when you have died further more and be "judged" (so if you are part of the Book of Life or not)), God has access to your action and thinking and Jesus the Lamb to your Hearth.
    If you live outside Heaven, so in hell, you are supposed to be dead.

    So yes, God is omniscient, but for free will the knowledge is delayed by purpose.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Life
     
  20. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    The original Creator has in a sense evolved and is the original Scientist / Inventor who got into Psychology once "others" had been invented!
    The Creators venture into Psychology led to Theology!
     
  21. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Please provide evidence that there is/ was such a thing as an "original Creator".
    And then provide evidence that he/ she/ it evolved etc.
     
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  22. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Unsupported speculation.
    Not even close to being a fact.
    You're just making stuff up now, aren't you?
    Must? I disagree.
    Wrong.
    God's "invisibility" has nothing to do with it. If knowledge of the future exists then there is no choice.
    That page doesn't support your claim.
     
  23. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    Perhaps you just dont understand the link to the claim.
    Here, perhaps some explaination why (i have selected some verses form the 34) :

    https://www.openbible.info/topics/their_eyes_will_be_veiled
     

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