Does Chaos Theory prove a Mathematically Ordered Universe

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That is the pertinent question.
    IMO, everything that can be measured and translated into a symbolic representation is of "logical necessity" a mathematical construct.
    It is what allows us to posit universal constants, the laws that govern the dynamical evolution of universally pervasive patterns such as; fractals, functions, equations, exponential functions, symmetry/symmetry breaking, invariants; [/quote]
    Invariant (mathematics)

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    A wallpaper is invariant under an infinite number of translations, members of a group, of which the operation denoted by (o) is the function composition.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invariant_(mathematics)

    Symmetry in mathematics

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    The root system of the exceptional Lie group E8. Lie groups have many symmetries.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetry_in_mathematics

    The exponential function
    Overview of the exponential function

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    https://mathinsight.org/exponential_function

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    continued....

    Equation
    What is an equation?
    https://www.splashlearn.com/math-vocabulary/number-sense/equation#

    Function

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    Schematic depiction of a function described metaphorically as a "machine" or "black box" that for each input yields a corresponding output
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Function_(mathematics)

    Fractal

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal

    And self-similarity also refers to self-referential and ultimately to self-awareness.


    These are some of the universal constants which are not based on any physical consideration but on the abstract logic of how things work and are pervasive throughout the universe
     
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  5. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    ZZZzzzz..........
     
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  7. river

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    The Physical depth of shape . Fundamentally , Three dimensions . Depth , Breadth , and length .
     
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  8. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    Pure energy could not be confined within a galaxy. Absolute zero is only available outside the universe and no where near black holes supermassive or not. So ...
     
  9. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    You forgot time, which includes “entropy”
     
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    Chaos Theory and Consciousness
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    Abstract
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    https://ysjournal.com/chaos-theory-and-consciousness/#
     
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    Consciousness is Based on Life .
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That's debatable.

    From the link:
    https://ysjournal.com/chaos-theory-and-consciousness/#

    Seems to me that this is what Tegmark proposes. Consciousness is not exclusively biological, but may also emerge from mathematical data processing patterns, i.e. AI consciousness.
     
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    but not Real Life . As in Biological Life .
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Show me the difference. It's all made from the same stuff, just arranged in different patterns.
    It's the patterns that acquire emergent properties. I have heard that only biological patterns can be alive, but I have never heard that only biological patterns can be conscious. Are you sure? Can you explain?
     
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    Life comes from Nature , from the Cosmos .

    AI can not exist on its own . It needs a being to build it . Life does not .
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Really?
    Is a virus alive? It also cannot exist on its own, but it can use a living organism to build copies of itself. Variegated tulips are artificially made by viruses.

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    Variegated Tulips: Beauty From a Virus
    Viruses using aphids to do the heavy lifting!

    Section 6.3Viruses: Structure, Function, and Uses
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21523/#
     
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  18. river

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    So viruses do not come from Nature ? They do of course . So what's your point Write4U ?
     
  19. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    "Pure energy" is for Star Trekkies.

    It is not science.
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Variegated tulips do not come from nature. They are artificially created by viruses, clever little artists manipulating the tulip genes to make some of the most beautiful art.
    Robots are artificially created by humans, clever mammals making tools to do all their work for them.
     
  21. river

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    Viruses do .

    Tools agreed . Lets hope that these tools are nothing more than tools .
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    What is the distinction? Energy is "ability to do work" regardless of instrument used.
    A star has ability to do use nuclear reactions (work) to create energy and other works of Art.
    Natura Artis Magistra (nature is the teacher of art and science)

    Natura artis magistra
    Linguistics in the Netherlands 2001, 159–166. issn 0929–7332 © 2001 John Benjamins Publishing Company Ancient rhetoricians, grammarians and philosophers on natural word order* C.C. de Jonge Leiden University

    1. Introduction
    https://www.jbe-platform.com/docserver/fulltext/avt.18.17jon.pdf
     
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  23. river

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    Your point Write4U .
     

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