Is consciousness to be found in quantum processes in microtubules?

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No, objectively all you need is values. Values are not necessarily physical. They can exist as latent potentials.

    I have explained this before in the example of the mountain lake which physically does not produce electricity, but possesses the latent potential value for gravity-fed electrical generation.
     
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    Objectively you need the three dimensional physical Universe , to have values or anything for that matter .
     
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    But you just cited a mathematical geometry.

    What will cause Universal heat death?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe#

    But even if the universe experiences heat death and maximum entropy, the mathematical essence of spacetime remains, albeit in latent form.

    For those who are religiously inclined, Mathematics is the scientific equivalent of your God.
     
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    I did . Because that is what it is . Based on the Physical .

    The absence of absolute zero , Universally .
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Read the wiki quote and my closing remarks in #2063

    Allow me to ask if the concept of God is based on the Physical?
     
  9. river

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    Yes . In Ancient times .
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That's not an answer. That's an evasion. These concepts do not alter with time.
     
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    Gods are not just metaphysical thinking . gods can be real living beings .
     
  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No that's not true. You think that everything disappears ?
    The definition clearly indicates a state of equilibrium (not total emptiness), a mathematical term.
     
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    And mathematics can be expressed as metaphysical or physical patterns, no?
     
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    I don't know . Explain your thinking with more depth . And clarity .
     
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  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Think of the metaphysical Platonic solids, the idealized versions of what we observe in expressed natural patterns.
     
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    From post#2071
    I thought of Platonic as more about shape . Either way the physical is the foundation of solids and shapes .
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Shapes are patterns. You may want to revisit the concept and definitions of "patterns" .

    Pattern
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern
     
  18. river

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    No need .

    Without the physical there are no patterns . Because empty space , is devoid of energy and matter . Patterns can not exist in a void .
     
  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting that you should cite a void. In the other thread on Aether you agreed with Michael that the aether has always existed.

    Aether, Classical element

    Description
    Wikipedia

    So which is it?

    Do revisit the wiki article on Patterns, please.
     
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  20. river

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    I didn't say that there is a actual void . Things and Life have always existed .
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And how will you support that perspective?
     
  22. river

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    By thinking upon nothing . The idea , concept of nothing . And then could it be real .

    No , nothing is a concept , mathematical concept . In the physical Universe nothing can never exist .
     
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    And how did the physical Universe come to be?
     
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