I'm not really sure why this is a discussion. In post 4, you asked what the beliefs are. When told, you apparently took that as license to offer your unilateral judgment about religion and other loosely related topics. You're entitled to your opinion on them, but that doesn't negate anyone else's philosophies. Exactly. Kindness, good and bad are not scientific concepts. They are ethical concepts, that science is silent on but which spiritualisms embrace. Since kindness and good and bad are definitely part of the what it means to be human, that means science is insufficient. Belief systems are required. One set of belief systems falls under spiritualism (though there are others).
Ah! So there is no conflict between your beliefs about morality and science, even though there is no scientific evidence to back up that morality. That is true of many things - including religion and science. Nope. Science will never become "sufficient enough" because they are completely separate and orthogonal topics.
I'm talking "royal we", not personally. I'm an atheist. I know where my morals come from, but that doesn't mean I don't grok where others' get their morals from. I'm not sure if your nope is agreement, or disagreement. But that was my point. Science is silent on philosophical issues. Michael seemed to be suggesting spiritualism serves no purpose since we have science. That's silly. As you say, they're orthogonal.
I notice mathman hasn't been back. Perhaps he's less interested in a discussion than he is in lobbing a banana into a monkey house and watching what happens.
In other words put forward my ideas about the reply I was given That's a given Never thought or claimed my opinions did or would A reminder - billvon asked me to from which came my reply Debatable However IF people wish to operate with a BELIEF SYSTEM they are very much entitled to do so (a given) What they are NOT entitled to do is claim THEIR belief system is one under which we all should operate It appears to serve some NEED (not sure about purpose) for those into spiritualism Again if they have a need fine, but please leave me alone with my non-need This bouncing ball is becoming harder to follow I'm out Coffee here I come Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Unitarian Universalism is a pluralistic or non-exclusivist religion. Religion is a vehicle for a community or a people to interface with what they deem to be Sacred. It doesn't require a specific dogma, nor exclusive claim to the truth. The UU Church is a pretty big tent, deliberately so. I participate in the local Covenant of Unitarian Universalist Pagans chapter, for instance.
The concept seems valid to me, although I can't claim a Universalist Unitarian title. Progression seems more applicable. Religious roots are where most of us stem from. Even as atheist. Universal salvation is the premise of the universalist church. That much I understand.
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