UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by Magical Realist, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    A completely batty approach.

    The question of whether wegs' car actually turned into a turnip is not one to be decided on the basis of how much you trust Freddy, who filed the report about the putative incredible turnip transformation.

    Your feelings about what a great guy Fred is are largely irrelevant to deciding whether Freddy is barking mad about the turnip thing or whether the Ghosts of Turnips past finally got their vengence on wegs' car.
     
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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Why do you want to put your thumb on the scales before you start?

    It sounds like you wouldn't be comfortable with the opposite: assuming some significant possibility that the eyewitness statement is reasonably inaccurate.

    Why not?
     
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  5. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    wegs:
    Don't worry about it.

    Remember that there's been 70 years of such reports and "unsolved mysteries" since flying saucers were invented back in the 1950s. So far, no alien invasions, or at least none that have had any perceptible effects on the US (not counting the subtle replacement of recent Presidents by disguised lizard men, of course).
    I'm guessing that a lot of other (non-UFO) "unsolved cases" don't unnerve you, so why is this such a concern? There's no good evidence that UFOs are anything unusual, let alone that any of them are any sort of threat.

    Generally good life advice, I think, is to try not to worry too much about remote possibilities, unless and until they actually come to pass.
     
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  7. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    ... which isn't to say that the "captured object" itself was anything that was "over" the city.
    Can you see the sky in that photo? No? Brain on, then. Think.
    1. It has not been confirmed to be any kind of "orb".
    2. The appearance of "metallic shine" does not imply metal, or an orb, or anything in particular, other than some light entering the camera lens in a particular way.
    3. No "object" has been confirmed to be "flying over" anything.
    4. It has not been confirmed that the street is in the "background".
    5. The object has not been confirmed as "flying" anywhere.
    6. Neither do party balloons, water droplets, puddles, reflections from car roofs/windscreens/mirrors etc. Intriguing!
    7. No additional data has been presented, so this is unhelpful. All we have is one photograph.
    What if they also believe wegs' car turned into a turnip?

    What's your next (first?) step in this investigation?
     
  8. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Here is some infrared footage of a flying sphere recorded by the U.S.S. Omaha off the coast of California on July 15, 2019. The object is tracked for some time before it appears to enter the water. The object at that point disappeared from radar and sonar as well. These spheres are definitely NOT balloons!

     
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  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Well, I guess we've reached the end of UAP reports in this thread and are cycling back through old stuff now...

    It appears to do nothing of the sort.

    It blinks once then disappears. All of it. All at once.
    Like a spotlight might do being turned off/on/off. In fact, it actually fades in like a spotlight (frames #3-5).

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    You don't bother with any analysis. You don't appear to have an ounce of shame around not being interested in exploring these reports.


    (The fact that the report includes a subsequent clip about an incident that has already been confirmed as debunked gives me hearty-hearts about the credibility of this whole report.)
     
  10. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    So basically you are saying I post the evidence and leave the debunking to the debunkers. lol Imagine that!

    You also seem to be saying that the object is a "spotlight"? How does a spotlight hover in midair and show up on infrared camera and on radar?
     
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  11. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I’d say you’re comparing apples to…well, turnips? Experienced navy pilots spotting what has been described as an extraordinarily fast moving, acrobatic “tic tac” for one example, which seems credible in terms of believing these pilots witnessed something unusual that can’t be debunked so far, is nothing like comparing a car turning into a turnip, which is physically impossible. lol

    I get your point, but think you’re conflating what would be considered impossible with unsolved mysteries.

    But, the carriage that carried Cinderella to the Ball did magically change back to a pumpkin shortly after midnight. Hmm…
     
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  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    OK, so no analysis, no attempts to resolve.


    No. I am saying it disappears in a way that is very unlike "entering the water". We might expect to look something like this:

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    (Though by no means is that certain.)





    What is does look very like is a spotlight turning off and on:

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    I am by no means suggesting it is a spotlight. The point is simply that - other than the fact that it appears to be below the horizon from the observer's point of view - it sure doesn't act like it entered the water. (You may not be aware of it, but science has come a long way toward understanding how 'far things' can be behind 'near things'.)
     
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  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Just because someone said a car turned into a turnip doesn't mean it did.

    Besides, even experienced pilots often describe seeing things that are impossible. Note the number of times they've described objects floating in the air with no visible means of levitation, propulsion, wings or control surfaces.
     
  14. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Well, I’m good with it being labeled an “unsolved mystery,” as opposed to mislabeling it as a weather balloon or bird. The case shouldn’t be closed yet, is my point.

    We run the risk in my opinion, of debunking too soon, when we misidentify these cases as something ordinary, and commonplace when in reality, we just don’t know enough to debunk.
     
  15. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Might be an artifact of the thermal camera itself---the image on the screen fading when its target moves away quickly or goes behind something else.
     
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  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Of course not. It'd be labeled as ""possibly - even likely - a weather balloon or bird".

    Why not? Not that I completely disagree, but let's examine what can be gained. Surely the best plan is to concentrate on the incidents that defy any mundane explanation and on the incidents where further evidence might actually bear the fruit of exotic origin. If something is indistinct enough that "bird" or "weather balloon" is within the realm of possibility, what can we hope will come out of it by continuing to examine it - as opposed to incidents that really lend themselves to analysis?
     
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  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    That is certainly way more explanatory of what is seen in the video than anything "entering the water".
     
  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    By the way, a transmitting radar would look to a radar receiver like a sort of radar spotlight.

    A distant craft - were it sufficiently small, distant and/or stealthed, might not show up in light/IR or radar traces, but would possibly show up if it turned on its transmitter pointing at the observers.

    I am not suggesting that this is what happened, just pointing out that nothing in that video defies known military technology and physics.


    ...and also pointing out that nobody in these silly videos ever seems interested in exploring very simple, boring explanations... it's almost like it's in their interest to preserve the mystery. It's almost like it's in their interest to not be objective...
     
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  21. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    That's true. But that wouldn't seem to be applicable here. The video is said to have come from a IR/thermal camera at night.

    True again. But this video doesn't appear to have come from a radar warning receiver.

    There's no need to hypothesize anything that "defies known military technology and physics". It's just an unknown contact of some sort.
     
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  22. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    It is a 6 ft in diameter sphere that flies and hovers and has no wings or control surfaces and no propulsion that would definitely show up in thermal. That is absolutely beyond any known technology or our level of physics. There were 14 of these spheres detected by the squadron of ships over a 3 day period. Neither we nor any other government on earth have anything remotely close to that.
     
  23. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    In post 8145, MR says it "disappeared from radar and sonar".
     

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