I BELIEVE HUMAN WAS CREATED BY A "SUPRANATURAL" POWER THAT MAKE US SO "SPECIAL" THAN OTHER CREATURES. IT CANNOT BE EXPLAINED BY EVOLUTION THEORY. HOW ABOUT YOU, GUYZ ??

some proof and evidence would be nice? :D

Welcome to sciforums, professor.

While speculation is fine, folks here will want something to show on it. In otherwords if you would turn this into something, they will want to know your sources. This seperates the crackpots for those who really have something to say and a basis from which to start.

Originally posted by professor
I BELIEVE HUMAN WAS CREATED BY A "SUPRANATURAL" POWER THAT MAKE US SO "SPECIAL" THAN OTHER CREATURES. IT CANNOT BE EXPLAINED BY EVOLUTION THEORY. HOW ABOUT YOU, GUYZ ??
question;do you ever eat bananas?
monkeys love bananas;)

btw aint all creatures special?

Originally posted by Q25
btw aint all creatures special?
No way humans is betta cuz we can buy beer, it sez so in da bible

Personally I think we are just as low as all the other life on this planet. I feel for humanity to go beyond this we need to design a successor that’s better then this talking monkey stage we are in.

http://www.healthfactsandfears.com/editors_rants/evolution/images/evolution_big_title.jpg

I so love this pic its explains my fears and hopes for the future in more then 1000 words.

That picture is excellent:p I'm not sure I can make myself look at it as a "chilling vision of things to come" though, its too damn funny:p

Originally posted by WellCookedFetus
Personally I think we are just as low as all the other life on this planet. I feel for humanity to go beyond this we need to design a successor that’s better then this talking monkey stage we are in.

http://www.healthfactsandfears.com/editors_rants/evolution/images/evolution_big_title.jpg

I so love this pic its explains my fears and hopes for the future in more then 1000 words.

leave it to the new generation to wish to commit genocide with the entire human race for the sole reason that they are obsessed with cyborgs and star trek (and possibly seven of nine).

spuriousmonkey,

Actually us talking monkey will kill are selves off... the cyborgs, robots and biorobots of the future will most likely get as far away as possible from us. Also you have to consider how much cheaper space travel will be from them, considering how little mass they need, lack of life span and time limits and ability to travel by EM transmittance. Since these things will not have selfish desire: killing people to protect them selves will not be reasonable. Also I'm sure people would put up protocol in AI tp prevent such revolts.

river-wind,

I think all but proffesor here agree with you... would you like me to link you to a theology forum so you can wack some faithful people? I would love a extra hand in that.

:p
River-wind, all the posts of yours that I have read have been awesome. We seem to share similar perspectives.
I agree, if you go outside you can see evolution, I don't even think I needed darwin, its just too obvious. It seems the main problem people have with it is they think "it belittles human beings", how ego-tystical:rolleyes: If you ask me it excuses people for being the lousy species they are. This way its not our fault.

Originally posted by WellCookedFetus

http://www.healthfactsandfears.com/editors_rants/evolution/images/evolution_big_title.jpg

I so love this pic its explains my fears and hopes for the future in more then 1000 words.

This picture is actually one of those examples in which evolution is portraited as being a progressive process. In this case the progressive march we have undertook from a puny lizard to monkey, to man, and finally to the perfect state of 'super-robot'.
Many people have struggled against these kinds of false depictions of evolution (for instance S.J. Gould), but as we can see here the image is difficult to remove from our current culture and once again shows that ignorance rules our minds.

Its true evolution is not a progressive process because the controlling factors (the environment) is variable and not constant. Even so if the needed for greater intelligence, stability of social order and technological development continues for another hundred years or so we will have robots, cyborgs and biorobots of a superior nature to us in most ways. The thing is normal humans will remain and most people will not convert. This will leave a division between Homo sapiens and our progeny that will likely lead to problems (on are part).

Robotics, cybernetics and biorobotics are a form of unnatural Lamarckian evolution and their evolution is very different form natural Darwinian evolution.

What would be the logic behind making human-like robots? Seriously I don't see them ever doing that, maybe one because they can but they would never mass produce them, its just too easy to make real people:cool:

Yes, but there is logic in making humans INTO robots... Immortality is a very lucrative business opportunity.

oh I get it, actually I can see that happening, but it will always be exclusively reserved for the extremely wealthy and they will be despised by the poor, it will lead to a man vs machine war, unfortunately the robot's will over-power the weak human forces who will be heavily outgunned on account of their lack of funds, the surviving flesh-humans will be used as slaves and their bodies as resources for decades, until one man .... james van der beek, decides he wants his planet back...

I want my planet back
coming in july
starring james van der beek
& paulie shore

No, humans make bad slave we will just die off... or maybe the "new" humans would be kind enough to just leave and leave us to or own devices.

I increasingly believe that we are the result of evolution and that life began with the suns energy heating the earth (the planet that is) to create single celled sugar/protein/chemical beings, which were probably water based, whose existence was a consciousness-less one seeking only chemical exchange but which grew to give us life on earth as we now know it. Looking at the statistics it seems that while there are varying percentages of water make-up given for the planet earth (ranging from 60%-71%) and for the human body (http://www.boston.com/globe/search/stories/health/how_and_why/011298.htm).

Couldn't a statistical test be done to estimate the significance of the hydrological make-up at a cellular level in all life on earth (not just conscious life) compared to the planet itself? Maybe this has this been done.

Charles Fleming,

I don't see the connection there between water percentage in humans and the amount of water that covers the earth.

Originally posted by Charles Fleming


Couldn't a statistical test be done to estimate the significance of the hydrological make-up at a cellular level in all life on earth (not just conscious life) compared to the planet itself? Maybe this has this been done.

there is quite a lot of variation in the water percentage of species. For instance, a kangaroo rat is made up of 65% water, a frog approximately 88% and a jellyfish about 98%. I don't know if this is also a reflection on the actual cellular watercontent in these animals, or if they just have more 'dry' material outside the cells.

edit: some typos

These "super-humans" would probably ignore us just as much as we ignore monkeys. Of course, then we would get a "super-human" verision of Jane Goodall poking us with instruments and trying to blend in with the crowd and such. :D

Gurglo

thanks Dr lou & well cooked. you guys also have been very helpful in clearing up some questions I had floating around.


so....Fetus...where are these theology forums of which you speak? ;)


gurglingmonkey: hahaha! I'm envisioning a huge 40 foot tall green thing with two heads, claws, and one really big eye in it's stomach...wearing skater clothes, and hanging out on a park bench pretending to be just some regular joe. All the time taking notes on some inter-dimentional notepad :D occationally saying"what's up?" to passers-by

Inter-dimesional beings rock! I once got abducted by one, he let me travel back in time, I called Henry V a dumb ass… it was cool.

river-wind,

http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/

http://www.theologyforums.com/forums/

I haven't been on them resontly but if you want we can start the killing! http://www.guru3d.com/forum/images/smilies/massacre.gif

Originally posted by professor
I BELIEVE HUMAN WAS CREATED BY A "SUPRANATURAL" POWER THAT MAKE US SO "SPECIAL" THAN OTHER CREATURES. IT CANNOT BE EXPLAINED BY EVOLUTION THEORY. HOW ABOUT YOU, GUYZ ??

I believe you are not a professor nor will ever ammount to anythign even similiar to being one, Most people tend to spell guys right rather than going with the popular trend of young people

This is really more for a philosophy forum. Evolution is everyday becoming more of a fact. Did we jump from chimps to humans. Well, the only real crediable proof is DNA. (a chimps DNA is 98% identical to ours, with two of a chimps chromosomes fused together to form our chromosome one)

As for the supernatural, it is possible for a supernatural being to shape the world today by controlling the flow of evolution. The old testement God said he created the world in six days. It also says in genisis, that one second on earth could be over 10,000 years in heaven. So, is this six days earth time, or six days heaven time?

No facts eitherway, so this should be moved to a philosphy forum.

Isn't a mouse's DNA upwards of 90% similar to human's? I tried looking but couldn't find any figures, I know they are quite similar though.

DNA isn't the only real credible proof. Look at organs and bones too.

"God created earth in six days, but those days were really hundreds of thousands of years relative to earth's days."

I always love hearing things like this. Sure, sure, god, who is omnipotent, worked for such a long amount of time. In that amount of time, all of those things could have occured naturally (hahaha). And how did he measure those days without an earth/sun measurement system? How did you "let" the earth bring forth plants - when there was no light!? Why did he make light before light producing objects? Didn't he know that? I guess if you are omnipotent you could just snap your fingers and 10,000 years later you'd have light; simple as that. Ahhhhhh....

Ridiculus stuff: but best comedic value, ever.

I always thought the theory went that humans evolved from apes (and a long line of crappy human models in between), and monkeys evolved alongside humans...

The reality is that there are only two places you can go when you die. Heaven or Hell. The choice is yours. God does many things to bring people to Him but He always leaves the final choice to us. Many people believe that because they lead a good life on Earth that it will earn them a place in Heaven. The fact is that unless you accept Jesus as your savior you will not go to heaven.

James 2:18 - But some one will say, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith.

Romans 3:20 - For no human being will be justified in his sight by works of the law, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:24 - they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus.

I am a Christian. I believe that there is only one God with a Heaven and a Hell. Alot of people say, "There is no Heaven" and "There is no hell" But let me tell you people who are the ones saying that. There is a real living God. I have had many experiences with the miricales that God has done for me. He has healed me, died for me, and saved me. And it doesn't make any sense to me why it's so hard for people to accept that. Mormons say that there is no heaven or hell, and that there are different levels of heaven. It really doesn't make sense. I have heard on here that Christians give to "bribe" people to Christianity. But let me tell you something. It's not about bribing. We give with a happy heart. We don't just give, and get in people's faces and say "You better believe in God or your life will be hell!" That's not how it all works. Pressureing someone to believe in God isn't the way Christians roll. And I would know being one myself. And like I said, I am a Christian, and there is one heaven and hell. And one day I am going to be in the one heaven there is with my God, because there is only one way through heaven and that's Jesus Christ. He gave you a gift that only takes a step to accept him. He has done way to much...the least we can give is our lives. Not just a little part, all of it.
If you want to invite Jesus into your heart, say the following prayer or a similar one.

God,

I know I am a sinner. I am sorry for the sins I have committed and ask for Your forgiveness. I invite you into my heart and to take control of my life. I put myself in your hands and as of this moment I am yours. Please help me to know you better and to understand what your plan for me is. I ask this in the name of Jesus Christ Your son.

Amen

I dunno, a real, living God? To be defined as living, an organism needs to take in, manage, and store energy; use that energy to keep the organism alive; and be able to reproduce. God, unfortuently, cannot reproduce. How is it that a single god, in a vast nothingness with perhaps a little chaos, has male reproductive organs? He doesn't, the argument that God could actually resemble a human is bad. Oxygen, anyone? Hellish vacuum and heat conditions? And if he doesn't have reproductive organs, he cannot reproduce. Or maybe the definition of living needs work; "or, if it is Him."

I love the notion of being forgiven for Hell-punishable sins. What happens if you commit a sin, but die before you could be forgiven? What if you sinned by accident and that happened (accidental adultery maybe, or theft... whatever)? How about sinning and asking to be forgiven just so you won't go to hell - even if you are only tricking God? What about never knowing that God existed, and thus being damned by original sin? Being damned eternally for unavoidable ignorance? Well, if he knows better to stop liers from getting into heaven, how is he such an asshole to keep ignorant people out. Give me a break; the whole idea is so full of holes...

I'd choose hell just for a laugh.

professor to me soundsl ike an illiterate3 year old, Congratulations on spelling things with a z, and misspelling the word "supernatural" i mean really it must have taken you a whole... What 4 minutes to come up with this obviously completely original idea?


Discredit the writer, discredit the facts

Originally posted by jjhlk
I dunno, a real, living God? To be defined as living, an organism needs to take in, manage, and store energy; use that energy to keep the organism alive; and be able to reproduce. God, unfortuently, cannot reproduce. How is it that a single god, in a vast nothingness with perhaps a little chaos, has male reproductive organs? He doesn't, the argument that God could actually resemble a human is bad. Oxygen, anyone? Hellish vacuum and heat conditions? And if he doesn't have reproductive organs, he cannot reproduce. Or maybe the definition of living needs work; "or, if it is Him."
I'd choose hell just for a laugh.

I believe that when they say "in gods image" it is not literal and that it means that we, like him, have the ability to create and destroy

Well, I have my life straightened out. I will be praying for u all who don't know the Lord. And being a Christian and the bigger person, I am going to let you guys argue your way through life cause I have my proof. God has shown u his now it's up to you to see it. So God Bless you all.
Tiff

And obviously if only 90% that we supposably came from a monkey or mouse is ONLY 90% obviously proves that we are not from them. You need all the proof...not just a piece of it.

Is this the religion sub-forum, oh wait it is not… what the @#$% are you talking about?

Well, I have my life straightened out.

I seriously doubt it.



I will be praying for u all who don't know the Lord.

Are you aware that this remark is EXTREMELY insulting when directed at atheists.



And being a Christian and the bigger person,

BIGGER PERSON? Deflate that swollen head of yours, and them maybe I will take your baseless assertions at least semi-seriously.



I am going to let you guys argue your way through life cause I have my proof.

Please presents that proof for examination and verification.



God has shown u his

No he hasn't.

You know, I STILL will be praying for you, and I don't care how affensive it is to you athiest. And my life is straightened out, thank you very much....my head is going to stay the same no matter what you think, and...I AM the bigger person...and how old are you? You might need to pull that built-in stick outa ur butt cause you need to get the story straight. God Bless You.

Discredit the writer, discredit the facts

Ad Hominem attacks are useful for some things, but usually not. Facts are facts. They're unrelated to who said them.


I believe that when they say "in gods image" it is not literal and that it means that we, like him, have the ability to create and destroy

The very fact that the bible is interpreted so differently by so many people is very telling to me. Many things can create and destroy. That isn't what an image is, either.


I AM the bigger person...and how old are you? You might need to pull that built-in stick outa ur butt cause you need to get the story straight. God Bless You.

Oh my. Please affend me no longer.

Don't try to change them, the religious people believe what they want with such faith, stubbornness and a rather disgusting superiority complex towards the unbelievers, that no one can change their minds… unless you want to hunt s/he down, lock them in a small dark room and begin the process of de-brainwashing.

I don't believe that human are made from supernatural power,I mean no offence to anyone.First of all,I don't believe in supernatural power.I think all may just start with a cell?:)