what international laws govern the birth of a new country, assigned a new name, land, rules?

have there ever been any?:p

ask Georgia

or Kosovo.

Basically it starts with getting people to recognize you.

well, i think It may be easier in the long run to create a new autonomous region largely divorced from the federal govt.

That's really what I want to do, though I know that my ideal state would come under fire for three reasons despite being even more free, democratic, and egalitarian than the US.
1) It would cost the us about 2-5 thousand citizen's worth of taxes annually
- that's about the optimal population for this model of govt.

2) It would spawn a huge debate of the meaning of the right to bear arms
- I would ban all lethal weapons, that still allows for tasers and such but the NRA would have a fit.

3)It would set a precedent for other separatist and radical groups to 'quasi-secede' and may be seen as a long term liability.

To do that you would need to set yourself up so that you had decent political connections and then use that to guarantee a charter from the local and federal authorities that would promise much more freedom than the average municipality or town plus exclusive privileges. Then get capital and build your state while making nice w/ the federal govt.

As to a totally sovereign state, the best way to go would be arcologies in int. waters, Antartica, or buying a private island and then gradually renouncing your responsibilities and citizenship.

You need land. Maybe claim one of the big floating garbage dumps in one of the oceans. Make a port there for some business. You could make it a party town friendly to the US Navy as well as people trying to hide money from the tax man. Top it off with some internet gambling servers. You could set yourself up real nice there.

what international laws govern the birth of a new country, assigned a new name, land, rules?

have there ever been any?:p

As far as I know, there is no such international law (yet). Possibly a country needs:

a well defined geographical land
a population
a set of constitution/law (with a defined head of state)
a recognition from the UN


So far, the smallest country (by today's population) in the world is:

Pitcairn Islands (population = 50), but it isn't a sovereign state. It is recognized by the UN as a non-self-governing territory.
Vatican city (population = 826), a sovereign state.

Principality of Hutt River in Western Australia. They declared war on Australia in 1977 over TAX and postal rights and won several days latter. All you need is balls :) I visited on a family trip in the mid 1970's. Hot, dusty, and out of the way is all I remember.

More info from wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Hutt_River

Same happened with East Timor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timor_Leste), it was part of Indonesia before it declared independency 11 years ago.

East Korea has always been independent.

And has always existed. Always.

As far as I know, there is no such international law (yet). Possibly a country needs:

a well defined geographical land
a population
a set of constitution/law (with a defined head of state)
a recognition from the UN


So far, the smallest country (by today's population) in the world is:

Pitcairn Islands (population = 50), but it isn't a sovereign state. It is recognized by the UN as a non-self-governing territory.
Vatican city (population = 826), a sovereign state.


There are some treaties. For example, the US signed the Montevideo Accords (http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/johnson/montevideo.htm) in the 1930's, wherein they basically agreed not to recognize a country that gains its independence militarily (Article 11)---which is a bit ironic, if you think about it. This document has only been signed by a few countries, though.

There are some treaties. For example, the US signed the Montevideo Accords (http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/johnson/montevideo.htm) in the 1930's, wherein they basically agreed not to recognize a country that gains its independence militarily (Article 11)---which is a bit ironic, if you think about it. This document has only been signed by a few countries, though.

Hemm... thanks for info!

Me thinks if there will be other international law which is signed by many countries (say, UN countries), it will not be useful anyway, because most part of the lands on earth have been claimed by existing countries, and the rest which are not belong to specific countries are -under international law- to be shared under common management practice (such as ocean after certain distance from countries' territories, the antarctica, the moon, the space,etc.).

Check out 'Sealand'

Me thinks if there will be other international law which is signed by many countries (say, UN countries), it will not be useful anyway, because most part of the lands on earth have been claimed by existing countries, and the rest which are not belong to specific countries are -under international law- to be shared under common management practice (such as ocean after certain distance from countries' territories, the antarctica, the moon, the space,etc.).

Well there are still disputed territories, like Abkhazia and Kashmir. And the fact is that a lot of countries which were former colonies won their independence by violent revolution.

so there's no defined process or criteria, we're in the 20th century and we still don't have rules for the birth and death of countries, man won't people of the future laugh on this "barbaric" era:D..

so i just do it and see what happens? if it looks like a country, acts like a country, smells like a country. then it's a country. that it?:p

hmmm, so far the floating garbage dump is the most plausable, buying an island in international waters is a super idea, but needs money, an armed uprising followed by a declaration of independence(which seems the most popular and effective), but.... i still don't know what to start an uprising for nor where...

btw, why was pakistan successful in declaring independence from india and kashmir not?:confused:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/310587_269424929758441_119176408116628_881952_1749 693224_n.jpg

sigh :(

i want one..

btw, why was pakistan successful in declaring independence from india and kashmir not?

Because the governing authority (i.e., Britain) decided to fuck everyone over when it was clear they were losing India. So they drew an imaginary line in the dirt and said, "Hindu on this side, Muslims on that side. Go!" It was a complete clusterfuck, of course. Many died. Over twelve million were displaced. That was George VI on the throne at the time. I only point that out because it was George III that pissed away the American colonies.

But Pakistan came into being as a result of deliberate action on the part of the colonial governing authority.

I'll have to look it up again...but if I remember correctly, some English guy bought an old offshore military platform, and declared it an independent country.

Ahh...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand

Principality of Hutt River in Western Australia. They declared war on Australia in 1977 over TAX and postal rights and won several days latter. All you need is balls :) I visited on a family trip in the mid 1970's. Hot, dusty, and out of the way is all I remember.

More info from wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Hutt_River

If the Occupiers are the 99% then could we call them a Marconation ? I think I will google Macronation and see if I get any hits

O.K. then whadi come up with : Macronations are recognized states

Lets try Meganation then ? Maggy I think I got something to say to you . Its late September and I think I should be back in school . I laughed at all of you jokes . O.K. O.K. song time later Back in a flash

Note: is the Internet called a type of nation ? O.K. I'm going

Dilop Hiro ? Anyone know him ?

Some fun stuff for Meganation and it was a new coined phrase from 2007. I have not found any information earlier than that yet . More looking is in order . Interesting ? yes

It is kind of freaking Me red car a little . I just heard the song painted black by the stones for the first time . Fuck Me . I mean I heard it plenty of times before , but I heard it for the first time today personally

Back again < the phrase is coined as representing China and there conquest of over taking the U.S. as the world power . Fuck the thing is they got a lot of cheer leaders . China = Mega-Nation

O.K. whimsical time of red car = Game = some quirks of freakyness " Mega Man X8 Neoseeker Fuck me ! What are you all trying to say ? Is it Me ? Whadi do ? It is not my fault . Jesus did it not Me . Blame him

Perhaps to the Moon? :scratchin: http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBy6wbT5CYJVDmFSKce3SJBqttRxMJR UU0wMgMX3RCtvqHMSvD

As far as I know, there is no such international law (yet).

There is. See here:

http://www.ejil.org/pdfs/9/3/664.pdf


Recognition of a new state is an act that confers a status; as a result of recognition, the recognized entity acquires the legal status of a state under International law

what international laws govern the birth of a new country, assigned a new name, land, rules?

have there ever been any?:pIt will the national laws currently governing whatever chunk of land that tries to secede that will first apply and no doubt harshly.

Same happened with East Timor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timor_Leste), it was part of Indonesia before it declared independency 11 years ago.

that blows me away ? Is the whole world converted . Is there no place were Islam or Christianity has not touched . I should know better but the thing is National Pride gets in the way of seeing things clearly . We Americans think in terms of saving heathens yet i am getting the feeling all countries goals are to save heathens . Fuck maybe I am the only real heathen left . No Spidey has found the way of the heathen . There is hope for my kind yet

the town of buford will be auctioned in april.

If you want to start you own country, check out the Principality of Sealand on Wikipedia for some tips.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand

BTW: How are you going to fund the operations of your new country?

There are some treaties. For example, the US signed the Montevideo Accords (http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/johnson/montevideo.htm) in the 1930's, wherein they basically agreed not to recognize a country that gains its independence militarily (Article 11)---which is a bit ironic, if you think about it. This document has only been signed by a few countries, though.


and yet it along with a european treaty that i forget the name of basicly set customary law as forbiding the recognizition of any land gained through military force. sadly it hasn't been lived up too. and since passed many a piece of land and even countries were formed thanks to military might rather than people's expression of the right of self determination.

Either by coincidence or because someone at the NYT reads this forum...we have this timely piece:

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/20/all-hail-sealand/

It would be easier just to buy a boat. I hear that's what the Scientologists do.

http://www.sealandgov.org/

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/310587_269424929758441_119176408116628_881952_1749 693224_n.jpg

sigh :(

i want one..

This would be the perfect hold up for a zombie invasion.