is religon being dragged into the gutter or the depths of hell
by the actions of these all too many terroists in the islamic faith

was not religon once a holy and noble thing

now religon has become a dirty word, there are more atheists than ever before, and more and more people turning there backs on religon

after the russian school massacre the archbishop of cantebury (uk)
said even he was questioning his faith after this act of madness

how can anyone have faith in the goodness of this world when these muslim terroists are running free and wild across the world striking at will

Religion is being dragged into the gutter by everyone who claims to be a part of a peaceful or loving religion and doesnt follow it, muslim fanatics killing people, christians killing gays, catholic priests working extra hours with the choir boys, every religion has its bad people and its good people, when everyone learns to seperate good and bad from religion the world will improve but not before.

Lemming3k
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Today, 03:55 PM
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" every religion has its bad people and its good people, "


lemon

every religon does have bad people, but for the last year i have seen nothing but muslim terroist attacks on tv everyday, now these terroist acts are not being committed by other religons on a daily basis

so if muslims are commiting all these terroist acts, you cannot bring other faiths into the argument, especially when they are not on a worlwide terroism tour

and before any one mentions george bush he is acting on behalf of a government not a religon


and as for the good people in religon please inform me of noble muslims

i will name two noble muslims who i think are very intelligent, and will only achieve good if they are allowed too

the afghan president and the king of jordan, they are both educated men and can see past religon
too see that people come first

i also respected the king of jordans late father

these two muslim leaders are the only beacons of light islam has in a woeful list of muslim leaders

Go out and meet some real people and stop relying on the media for your information.
Good people dont have to be leaders, many good people dont want to be leaders, if u must judge people judge them on an individual basis, dont insist on wiping out a religion or blaming it for the actions of some people from that religious background, your as bad as the religious people that want to wipe out atheists on the basis that because they dont believe they must be evil.

is religon being dragged into the gutter or the depths of hell
by the actions of these all too many terroists in the islamic faith

was not religon once a holy and noble thing

now religon has become a dirty word, there are more atheists than ever before, and more and more people turning there backs on religon

after the russian school massacre the archbishop of cantebury (uk)
said even he was questioning his faith after this act of madness

how can anyone have faith in the goodness of this world when these muslim terroists are running free and wild across the world striking at will

Do you hate muslims??

Vince I have one problem with your initial post (hypothsis). You cannot hold religion accountable for the actions of man. Religion is a philosphy based on the presence of divinity. Taking the responsiblity for the muslim indivduals moralality out of their hands and placing in the lap of religion which a philosphy and not a person is moving away from a solution not towards one. Maybe it would be better to hold the indivduals (not the religion) totally responsible based on the justification provided (or intrepreted) through their religion.

I will give you a hypothical that is opened ended to bring light to this point. Suppose the economics and geography were the same but the muslim religion was mainly in the europe and america's while the christians were in the middle east. Would the resulting actions be less or more violent or the same?

now religon has become a dirty word, there are more atheists than ever before, and more and more people turning there backs on religon


Praise the lord!

robtex
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Today, 03:15 AM
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Vince I have one problem with your initial post (hypothsis). You cannot hold religion accountable for the actions of man.




i can when they acting in the name of religion bin laden and his merry loonies all claim to be acting on behalf of islam saving the world from us infidels

How many times have other religions done things in the name of god or their religion?

How many times have other religions done things in the name of god or their religion?


while that is true is does not diminish the Islamic community and the indivduals from a personal and shared responsiblity for their actions.

Lemming3k
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Today, 12:24 PM
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How many times have other religions done things in the name of god or their religion?





here we go again time too dust of the history book of catholic attrocities
to justify current muslim ones

robtex
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Vince I have one problem with your initial post (hypothsis). You cannot hold religion accountable for the actions of man.




i can when they acting in the name of religion bin laden and his merry loonies all claim to be acting on behalf of islam saving the world from us infidels


I see what you are saying now. That the muslims as a community hold a shared responsiblity for the action of the terroists because they propogate them through denial and apapthy. right?

yea, that is good point, they all hold a communial responsiblty for the extremities of their community.

I wonder has a muslim terroist ever been tried by an islamic court?

here we go again time too dust of the history book of catholic attrocities
to justify current muslim ones
Who said anything about justifying it? Im just stating the facts that they are most certainly not the only people to do things in the name of god and their religion, as opposed to presenting a bias view that all muslims are terrorists and other religions have never done anything wrong, fanatics are just as bad no matter if they are muslim, catholic or anything else, how much clearer can i make it?

has the lemon dropped yet

yes but all the fanatics and terroist actions are happening in the islamic faith now


and it is quite ridiculous for you or others too constantly remove the cobwebs and dust from history books to say other faiths are guilty of crimes against humanity.
but these other faiths have learned from there mistakes, islam is not learning

another day a new bombing, the australian embassy today, tommorow who knows it will be another country and another attrocity


"fanatics are just as bad no matter if they are muslim, catholic"

lemondrop i do not see any catholic or other religons bombing on a daily basis
so how do you reach the conclusion there just as bad as eachother

the suicide bomber is unique to japan, sri lanka, and islam

so please do not compare other faiths too islam there is no comparison
bin laden and his merry men are fighting against other religons infidels not countries

today only poor indonesians were killed he new due too the fact the australian embassy was heavily fortified, that he could not damage it or kill its occupants so he sacrificed innocent indonesians to get his point across and also try too influence elections in australia, i suspect we will see another attack against australia in the next 8 weeks before elections, so that he can sit back with bedoin tea and say he was instrumental in changing another western governments leadership

has the lemon dropped yet

yes but all the fanatics and terroist actions are happening in the islamic faith now


and it is quite ridiculous for you or others too constantly remove the cobwebs and dust from history books to say other faiths are guilty of crimes against humanity.
but these other faiths have learned from there mistakes, islam is not learning

another day a new bombing, the australian embassy today, tommorow who knows it will be another country and another attrocity


"fanatics are just as bad no matter if they are muslim, catholic"

lemondrop i do not see any catholic or other religons bombing on a daily basis
so how do you reach the conclusion there just as bad as eachother

the suicide bomber is unique to japan, sri lanka, and islam

so please do not compare other faiths too islam there is no comparison
bin laden and his merry men are fighting against other religons infidels not countries

today only poor indonesians were killed he new due too the fact the australian embassy was heavily fortified, that he could not damage it or kill its occupants so he sacrificed innocent indonesians to get his point across and also try too influence elections in australia, i suspect we will see another attack against australia in the next 8 weeks before elections, so that he can sit back with bedoin tea and say he was instrumental in changing another western governments leadership




Somehow i get the feeling that you wouldnt care about this subject at all if it wasnt for the fact that Australia was involved. All terrorist acts are not just happening by muslims


http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/MiddleEast/TerrorInUSA/faq/WesternTerrorism.asp

i would care about this issue if it was against muslims

terroists are the worst kind of people they destroy the lives of families
300 parents mourning there kids in russia for eternity and beyond

critically injured 5 year old indonesian boy today mother dead
even if he lives he will never see his mother again, or know a mothers love

my heart bleeds for all people who suffer from terroism.
terroism is a pointless act which only breeds hatred

i would care about this issue if it was against muslims

terroists are the worst kind of people they destroy the lives of families
300 parents mourning there kids in russia for eternity and beyond

critically injured 5 year old indonesian boy today mother dead
even if he lives he will never see his mother again, or know a mothers love

my heart bleeds for all people who suffer from terroism.
terroism is a pointless act which only breeds hatred



Well i agree with you so why dont you make your posts about TERRORISTS instead of all about MUSLIMS by what you say in this very post(the little boy) muslims are also a victim of these abuses by terrorists.....do you really think they care if they kill muslims or non-muslims? did the tell muslims not to go to the trade towers on 9-11? have you seen how many policemen in Iraq have been killed? they are a menace to muslims also my brother and I condemn them more so than you do(believe it or not) because there actions threaten my family and also make ME look bad (as a muslim) also

notice i say muslim terroists

if they are catholics i would say catholic terroists

do you want me to lie and call them by another faith news channels call them islamic fundelmentalists whats the diff there still muslims

notice i say muslim terroists

if they are catholics i would say catholic terroists

do you want me to lie and call them by another faith news channels call them islamic fundelmentalists whats the diff there still muslims



Because just because they come from Muslim countries doesnt make them muslims....If a American went to England and commited a crime should he be called a Christian criminal? only muslims are defined by the "fringe elements" of their religion....over a billion people in the religion are peaceful yet they are ignored in the media

surenderer
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Today, 08:28 PM
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“ Originally Posted by vincent28uk
notice i say muslim terroists


" just because they come from Muslim countries doesnt make them muslims"


the news channels must have it wrong then they must be catholic nuns posing as muslim terroists

lol lol lol lol

"fanatics are just as bad no matter if they are muslim, catholic"
lemondrop i do not see any catholic or other religons bombing on a daily basis
so how do you reach the conclusion there just as bad as eachother
Muslims died in a lot of terrorist attacks commited by muslims, they are politically motivated, not religious, i dont see islam bombing people on a daily basis, i see terrorists bombing people on a regular basis(regular not daily, you've greatly exaggerated that). For an example if iraq was a catholic country and we were occupying it like we are now, and the people that didnt want us there started bombing our troops, would you be blaming it on their religion? Or would you say it is politically motivated? Now remove any bombings in iraq out the equation, now lets do the same with palastine, they are fighting over land, not religion, now chechnya, as far as im aware thats to do with idependance, now when you turned on the TV in the past year how many of those 'muslim terrorist bombings' you heard about were politically motivated? Because i get the same TV as you and i seem to recall the majority have similar motives, and this isnt even taking into account any media bias.

the suicide bomber is unique to japan, sri lanka, and islam
For a start why is it unique to japan, but not shintoism or buddism? They are the main religions of japan but you dont associate them with suicide bombers, only japan, so how can you associate islam with suicide bombers, and not just the countries that use them? It is illogical to blame one countries religion for suicide bombings, but not to blame anothers.

has the lemon dropped yet

japan learned its lesson it is now one of the most respected and peaceful contries in the world

islam is not learning from there mistakes they continue to wage a war against religons

Jemaah Islamiah, the militant islamic group are trying to create a state of islam across asia

bin laden wants too create a state of islam across the entire world
did his merry men not blow up the budhist statues in afghanistan

this is not poitical this is one religon that is unable to accept other religons be they budhists or catholic

islam cannot fit into todays world they are the odd man out

having dispatched many terroists in the gutter, i am aware of what the gutter looks like,and the state of islam today is pretty much the same

Jemaah Islamiah, the militant islamic group are trying to create a state of islam across asia
bin laden wants too create a state of islam across the entire world
did his merry men not blow up the budhist statues in afghanistan
this is not poitical this is one religon that is unable to accept other religons be they budhists or catholic
It is not one whole religion, it is a few fanatics, you speak like they are the only religion that has had people like this in it, and blame the entire religion, they may very well be the only current religion that has such fanatics but they are not all fanatics, history is merely repeating itself with a different religion, and since it is 600 years younger than christianity i think its running right on course.

islam cannot fit into todays world they are the odd man out
Your very much wrong, i know many muslims that fit in perfectly, and many other religious people that dont, until you learn to seperate religion from individuals behaviour you will remain blissfully ignorant, by your logic the entire catholic flock are kiddie fidlers because a few priests are and their religion is to blame, and i would have to disagree with that.

lemon i have just about squeezed the pips out of you

"few fanatics"


yeah a few hundred thousand spread across the world
Around 150,000 people have been massacred in Algeria since 1993.

The latest atrocity occurred on 11 February when 12 people were murdered at a bogus road block near the village of Hameur El Ain in the Tipaza region, 70 kilometres (44 miles) outside of Algiers.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/2802839.stm


one country and over 150,000 murdered since 1993
through islamic terroists

You prove my point perfectly, read the article, the minority are militants, they are islamic, and a quote from the exact same article - 'the vast majority of algerians are sick of the militants' a second quote 'a tiny minority have joined the militants' and some of those through anger, this doesnt prove in any way that islam is bad only that a few people are, maybe you should read before you post, and as for your point about how many have been killed, shall we look at how many people other religions have killed throughout history and do a comparison? Didnt think so.
Oh and you really should get psychiatric help, you have an unhealthy obsession with lemons.

with muslims its always the minority of you who is bad

yet it is the minority who is hijacking your religon and turning into a religon that is feared throughout the world

is it not time the majority as you put it rescued your religon from the minority

because by forever staying silent, and forever letting islamic militants do the talking for islam with there bombs and video taped warnings

the majority are not been heard

whos fault is that

if muslims held a worldwide rally against terroism the bombs would stop the next day
it is only by ignoring terroists do you give them a free hand and your indirect blessings

muslims are blissfully ignorant of the suffering of victims families from these attrocities

if they were not they would march in there millions against terroism
after all it is the good name of there religon that is being repeatedly dragged through the gutter, with each new attrocity

was not religon once a holy and noble thing

Was not punctuation once a holy and noble thing?

Were you ever not a fucking moron?

Rappaccini
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Today, 10:20 PM
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“ Originally Posted by vincent28uk
was not religon once a holy and noble thing
”
Was not punctuation once a holy and noble thing?

Were you ever not a fucking moron?






heh black rappa you having difficulty stringing together 7 words without swear words

highly educated

Oh, please, you petulant piddler of my time, you're guileless and simple.

My proficiency in the art of "stringing" words is something that your fumbling assays could never do justice.

Communicating with you makes me feel defiled, and I will soon desist. God forbid, though, that I retire without questioning you on your choice of the term black rappa.


Do you have PKU?

... yes?
I suspected so!
Have you been eating properly?
Have you been sneaking peanut butter and hamburgers, young man?

heh black rappa dont jive me, you jive ass mother

cut me some slack and give me five

jive ass rappa

I will consider that a confession of your crimes; you have, indeed, been sneaking peanut butter and hamburgers.

I hope your gray matter recovers in time for you recognize and regret your own childish refusal to post anything but mean-spirited and poorly expressed vileness.

Rappaccini
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Today, 11:46 PM
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"I hope your gray matter recovers in time for you recognize and regret your own childish refusal to post anything but mean-spirited and poorly expressed vileness."



punctuation breaks you mentioned
but coherent english is lacking in your sentence structure



(black rappa)"I hope your gray matter recovers in time for you recognize and regret your own"


in time for you too recognize is the correct way
you missed the word too





rappaccini says
"My proficiency in the art of "stringing" words is something that your fumbling assays could never do justice."



you want too repeat that arrogant boast black rappa, something about your proficiency in the art of "stringing" words together


lol,lol,lol.

but coherent english is lacking in your sentence structure

in time for you too recognize is the correct way

you missed the word too

No, it's not, and, no, I did not.

I failed to include the word to, not too.

Furthermore, I am positively astounded, by George!

Zounds! you caught me in the accidental omission of a monosyllable which you nevertheless inferred! You then proceeded to make a mockery of yourself.

Yeah...

Good for you, dipshit.

to be or not to be



in time for you too recognize is the correct way

recovers in time for you recognize and regret your own wrong way



black rappa anytime you need help with the queens english give me a call
xxxxxxxxxxx love your english teacher


lol

heh black rappa i never claimed to have any proficiency like you



"My proficiency in the art of "stringing" words is something that your fumbling assays could never do justice."




you are the one who brought up punctuation marks to beat me with
nobody in this forum really takes time on there spelling or anything else


i always find when people are losing a argument or have nothing intelligent to add to a debate will take the easy option spelling or sentence structure or punctuation marks
will be forced into the debate

dont lecture others on english mistakes when you are cleary guilty yourself
and your first response was to deny it


lol,lol,lol.

you want too repeat that arrogant boast black rappa

Boast? You must mean truth.

Besides, I need not repeat what your folly makes plain to all.




in time for you too recognize is the correct way


No, it's not. Read my earlier post, you complete nincompoop.



recovers in time for you recognize and regret your own wrong way
That's true.


black rappa anytime you need help with the queens english give me a call

You're especially good at demonstrating your own stupidity. Did you realize that?

Maybe you should get your dick out of your hand and get what many call an education.

Don't worry. Most semi-morons can't pronounce it, at first, but you'll make progress... slow but sure.

lol

we getting angry black rappa

it is often said that when a person loses his temper he loses the argument

you have called me a variety of names so far
nincompoop,semi-moron,moron, fuck,dick,petulant piddler

anything you wish too add to your educated tirade
you have no social graces thats for sure

you are the one who brought up punctuation marks to beat me with
nobody in this forum really takes time on there spelling or anything else

Oh, but you, my friend, you show exceptional competence in the art of literary incompetence!

You should be proud of your stupidity! You should wear it like a badge!

Oh... you're already in practice, aren't you?


i always find when people are losing a argument of have nothing intelligent to add to a debate will take the easy option spelling or sentence structure or punctuation marks
will be forced into the debate

I never had an "argument" for the "losing," you cretin.

From the very beginning, my purpose was clear: to explain to you how truly low and lacking you are.


dont lecture others on english mistakes when you are cleary guilty yourself

Ooh! I stand in awe at your prowess. You were able to pick out a single and absolutely inconsequential omission! Gods! I am humbled!
Then, in a stroke of brilliance, caught up in a furor of intellect, you corrected me... incorrectly.




By the by, I am not guilty of anything except having a presumptuous dullard unintentionally debase himself at my feet.


and your first response was to deny it
Check again, chump.

This time, try that one thing... what's it called?

Reading! That's it!

Try that.

"chump,cretin" are those the final 2 words to throw at me

now add on the other names you called me
nincompoop,semi-moron,moron, fuck,dick,petulant piddler




now what do we have here it sounds like you are very insecure
and need to ridicule and name call others to get your point over

your proficiency in sentences is somewhat lacking yet you choose to impale others with your very blunt sword of black rappa english

you have many exclamation marks to highlight your words
once again you seem to think no one understands you or is listening to you



my final diagnosis
is that you are a child that has never grown up, and you need to express your anger to be heard


as frazier crane would say

im listening
troubled child

lol

Last edited by Rappaccini : Today at 12:40 AM.

you correcting your proficiency in the art of "stringing" words together again

black rappa

The question: "Is islam dragging religion into the gutter?"

To answer this question as it stands would be to the negative. No Islam is not dragging religion into the gutter.
However the extreme elements of Islam that act in false representation of "Islams God's will" are in fact draging the religion of Islam and by default all other religions into to a state of contraversy.

To slaughter others whether innocent or not in the name of God is Taking upon them selves "Gods" devine perogative as to who should die and who shouldn't. Fundamentalists playing God and falsly representing the icon of their faith.

The fact that this seems to be justifiable in the view of the religious dogma just emphasises the insanity of their faith and not necessarilly their religion.

i agree totally very well put

quantum quack

now what do we have here it sounds like you are very insecure

...

once again you seem to think no one understands you or is listening to you


Thanks for that searching analysis.

Next, can you do my horoscope?
How about my laundry?


black rappa english

Only an imbecile could've produced this phrase.


you have many exclamation marks to highlight your words

Wrong, Doctor Dim. I have "many exclamation marks" to highlight my sarcasm.

Oh, wait... you don't pick up on nuance yet, do you?

I guess those parts of your brain are still in the developmental stage, eh?



my final diagnosis

May I see your credentials, Professor Numbskull?


... and... need to express... anger to be heard

Gee, I'd been wondering about this for the longest time!
Thanks!

Now I'll know why that one bozo is always on the rampage about Islam.



as frazier crane would say


You can quote a crappy sitcom.

If not for your routine spiels on the vice of Islam and the virtue of yourself, I'd declare this the saddest thing about you.


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you correcting your...

Yes, I edit my posts, wonder boy.

However, it has nothing to do with correcting these mistakes that you're imagining; I do it to avoid double-posting... when I can... unlike some.


Can we say grasping for straws?

How's the diet comin' along? Incurred any more brain damage?

I don't know about Islam dragging religion into the gutter, but the quality of posts to this thread have dragged this thread into the Cesspool.

Allah be praised.

with muslims its always the minority of you who is bad
yet it is the minority who is hijacking your religon and turning into a religon that is feared throughout the world
is it not time the majority as you put it rescued your religon from the minority
Your ignorance is impressive, im an atheist, so islam is far from my religion.

the majority are not been heard
whos fault is that
The majority being just your common person are obviously of little interest to the media, besides wheres the story in that? Its pretty much common sense that the average muslim isnt happy about these bombings as it makes them look bad and kills their own people, you've been watching far too much TV.

if they were not they would march in there millions against terroism
Only if they live in the west, they dont have such freedom of speech in other countries, and im fairly sure some of them have marched against terrorism, i find it hard to believe everyone who marches is non-muslim, im non-muslim and i've never marched against terrorism, why? Because it only makes a difference as far as the media goes, which is your main source of information.

just a thought:
"if we marched against the causes of terrorism and not just the terrorism per-se we might actually achieve something"

imbecile,Doctor Dim,Professor Numbskull,chump,creti.nnincompoop,semi-moron,moron, fuck,dick,petulant piddler




oh dear black rappa your name calling of me goes on

is it not said a man who has nothing to debate or nothing intelligent to say, will resort to name calling


or is it because are called these names by people at work and at home
and sick of being called these names, you are now throwing them at me

my original diagnosis of being uneducated and infantile was quite correct

Oh, yes, thank you for your diagnosis. It was phenomenal.

Could you follow up with a coherent sentence, or a capitalized letter?







My mission is accomplished.

Your thread is in the shitter.

Sayonara, sucker!

"is religon being dragged into the gutter or the depths of hell
by the actions of these all too many terroists in the islamic faith"

muslims = terrorists, terrorists = muslims, it all makes sense now... [/sarcasm]

HUZAH FOR CESSPOOL!!!

im gonan point out the terrorism in ireland that has nothing to do with Islam, the Terrorism in Russia which has nothing to do with Islam, and the terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is the fault of an officialy christian country

alain
du hast mich (698 posts)

what terroism in ireland any current, i see your fully tuned into world events

Terrorism in Russia nothing to do with islam
lol all the terroists are muslim how do you work that out then

easy way to really make the muslems mad put pork products in everything that is made.


put a little piggie in everthing from hair spray to car paint to gun powder....



if a muslem contacts or eats pork he is considered unclean and can't enter holy sights....


so insted of bombing countrys with bombs drop pigs and pig blood.... See how easly they will brake there ideals... after the first out rages and then none of them can go to there holy sights they will be like ooo well we can repent or somthing

PENIS!

Sorry, had to do it. This is, afterall, the shithall.


black rappa english

I never could tell the difference between "white" music and "black" music. I mean, M&M sounds about like Snoop Dog, and that guy from Hootie and the Blowfish sounds white, and Dave Matthews sounds black in Crash.

I believe the proper phrase you are looking for is "rapper" or "hip-hop" english.

Also, please use some FUCKING PUNCTUATION.

Islam isn't dragging religion into the gutter. It's the people who use religion for ill purposes who drag it to the gutter, though religious folk would tell you it's not the religion.
For instance, the KKK justifies itself with Christianity, as do Baptists and Mormons and the folk who firebomb abortion clinics. So we could say Christianity is dragging religion into the ground.

Dumbass.

"what terroism in ireland any current, i see your fully tuned into world events

Terrorism in Russia nothing to do with islam
lol all the terroists are muslim how do you work that out then"

Is it just me, or did that make no sense???

not all terrorists are muslim, only a very small amount of them - that was my point

I hadn't contributed yet to this thread in the cesspool. As a righteous cesspool bitch I cannot control myself anymore.

Islam should use more penguins.

'if it aint black and white, peck scratch and bite'

some undeniable facts

1) Islam is featured in newspapers and Television broadcasts at an average of 5/7 days here in Australia.
2) Every article is either talking about protecting citizens from terrorist acts or how the islamic population decries fundamentalists who go round blowing up buildings and cars.

3) The word terrorism has become in the main synonomous with islamic fundamentalism world wide.
4) Islamic groups have declared a jihad on a number of occassions.
5) With outexception all persons in Australia have some elementy oif concern about recent terrorist inspired actions.

Now to the question is Islam dragging religion into the gutter?

Whether they like it ir not the conservative Islamic population are being tarnished with these acts of terrorism in the name of Islam. The fact that this thread and millions like it are being entered into is testimony of this concern.
Is Islam dragging religion into the gutter?

Certainly I would think that persons who have fear about cult like actions of these terrorist would be very concerned about any religion that demonstrated similar behaviours.

So without condemming Islam I would say yes. The fact is the terrorists even if falsley claiming Islamic support for their actions are dragging all religions in to contraversy. Athiest all over the world are now even more inclined to argue against religion and the potential religion has for abuse to be sanctified.

before you condem me for replying to this thread in the way I have i wanted to express my concern for knee jerk reactions to any sign of religious discrimination. The facts speak for them selves even if they are a beat up.

fact is religion is strongly linked to these recent terrorist acts...so as far as I am concerned the answer is yes.

but of course the word gutter shouldn't have been used in the first place, being unecessarilly emotive.

"just a thought:
"if we marched against the causes of terrorism and not just the terrorism per-se we might actually achieve something""

ooops, i didnt see that, yes, terrorism cannot be stopped by killing, only by removing the cause of unhappiness. we would probably need economic equality and greater understanding and tolarence of other cultures (aimed at everyone, no-one in particualr)

thanks alain, it's just that the ole' stick our heads in the sand and allow our "Brothers and sisters" of other nations be abused by the powers that be is our main reason for terrorism today, not religion.

Apathy is our main element, apathy of what our goivernments are doing or more importantly not doing.

Preaching democracy and at the same time not being democratic in our foriegn policies.

Removing other nations ability to self-determine the own affairs because of economic and ulterior motives of our foriegn policies.

The price we pay for this apathy is a loss of security and the cost of having to defend ourselves from the starving masses.
Rhetoric hey?
How often has it all been said?

So some one flies a plane into a building or blows up an embasy etc.....crying to be listened to, and supported but instead we go over there and create more terrorists with every passsing moment.

Iraq is a good example of how to create a terrorist if ever there is one. there must be thousands of new terrorists by now..........so what's the answer do you think?
How can this insanity be stopped?
What has to happen to make the united nations charter of human rights a reality?

It was proclaimed so long ago (1949 i think)and I bet very few here has ever read it.

I know I am waffling, well I guess it is just such a sad thing.....

i will name two noble muslims who i think are very intelligent, and will only achieve good if they are allowed too

the afghan president and the king of jordan, they are both educated men and can see past religon
too see that people come first

i also respected the king of jordans late father

these two muslim leaders are the only beacons of light islam has in a woeful list of muslim leaders

hmm and dont forget all of those dipshit leader in the Muslims leaders were out in their by the west and the Islamic sect of Wahabism (the saudia royals for example) the BRITISH. normally id call it quits there but since yhou say everything to do with Asia/Middle east ill rephrase what i just said

crazy lunatic Christians placed puuppet dicatators and evil tyrants and created a sect of Islam. oh the shame of the Christians, oh the shame :rolleyes: