can anyone tell me why everyone use the BMI.. its completely in 90% of the cases wrong yet people expecially idiotic trainers and healthcare tell you your obese.. or overweight.. 25%-29.9% = overweight.. 30% and above obese

also interesting that saturated fats actually are good for us for thousands of years before we had major farming and agriculture we ate 5-10x mroe than what doctors say is healthy,, back then there was much much lower heart disease.. in other words low fat diets dont help at all.. a study since 1948 the framingham study. actually found that the more saturated fat we eat.. the more cholestral we eat the lower persons serum cholestral.. in otherwords a high fat died does not mean your cholestral goes up.

i agree wtih this as my stepfather is proof of it

http://www.framinghamheartstudy.org/

interesting tidbit.

supersise me guy gained 25 lbs..

took him 8 months to lose it..

the guy in fat head did it for 28 days lost weight and his BMI went down

can anyone tell me why everyone use the BMI.. its completely in 90% of the cases wrong yet people expecially idiotic trainers and healthcare tell you your obese.. or overweight.. 25%-29.9% = overweight.. 30% and above obese

Let's just say it like it is. The BMI tells you when you are too fat.


also interesting that saturated fats actually are good for us for thousands of years before we had major farming and agriculture we ate 5-10x mroe than what doctors say is healthy,, back then there was much much lower heart disease..

"Back then" people rarely lived beyond 40, so long term damage never showed up anyway. It didn't matter 'cos you wouldn't live long enough for your arteries to fur up.



in other words low fat diets dont help at all.. a study since 1948 the framingham study. actually found that the more saturated fat we eat.. the more cholestral we eat the lower persons serum cholestral.. in otherwords a high fat died does not mean your cholestral goes up.

Who are you trying to kid? in 1948 they thought smoking was good for you

Let's just say it like it is. The BMI tells you when you are too fat.



"Back then" people rarely lived beyond 40, so long term damage never showed up anyway. It didn't matter 'cos you wouldn't live long enough for your arteries to fur up.




Who are you trying to kid? in 1948 they thought smoking was good for you

i said since 1948 to present day.

BMI takes your heigh... and your weight.. im 510 weight 190 at one time adn was considered obese.. i had about 6% bodyfat and could bench 275 yet im obese according BMI.

a guy ate nothing but chese fryed in coconut oiil bacon steak port all that with 0 sugar and 0 starch..

hes chlorestrol went down.. and and good fats hpi or something went up as well as lost weight.

can anyone tell me why everyone use the BMI.. its completely in 90% of the cases wrong
How is it wrong?

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a guy ate nothing but chese fryed in coconut oiil bacon steak port all that with 0 sugar and 0 starch..

hes chlorestrol went down.. and and good fats hpi or something went up as well as lost weight.

Yes. It's called ketosis. It's actually dangerous to be in ketosis for extended periods of time. It hurts your liver. But, yeah, the Atkin's Diet will drop the pounds quickly.

As to your question about why people are fatter now with all this new fangled shit, it's simple: People worked a lot harder in years past. In the US, before WWI, most Americans worked on farms or in physical industries. It wasn't uncommon for a person to burn between 7k-10k calories per day. So, sitting and eating a 2500 calorie dinner was nothing big.

Before humans developed agriculture (which ushered in a carb based diet), humans ate mostly wild vegetables, fruit, nuts, berries and whatever game they could kill. Relatively speaking: that's about as healthy as you get. Because we had no quick access to carbs, in that they were extremely difficult to come by (sugars and starches), AND because sugar is the food of the brain, you developed a passionate desire for sweets and starches (like breads and cereals). It kept us motivated to eat what little sweetly tasting stuff we could find.

Once we developed agriculture, it didn't necessarily pile on the pounds because we were still toiling in the fields, burning away those carbs. But, with the advent of the industrial revolution--and more specifically the computer revolution--humans stopped doing all the healthy work (well, not "healthy" but, physical enough that it burned the calories) but never gave up the obsession with sweets and starches. We sit for all hours of the day, but still eat like we're hunting mastodons and plowing fields with oxen.

~String

Also - the entirety of the NFL is "obese" according to their collective BMI, as are many karateka. This is due to the density of their bones and muscle. For most normal folks though, too much weight means a high BMI and that means you are too fat. :o

Glycemic index and glycemic load, a varied and balanced diet with lots of exercise will get you healthy quick enough. Going ketotic to lose weight is dangerous. Don't want to blow your kidneys away.

BMI is just a rough guide. Some people, including some doctors, take it too seriously. Especially as muscle is more dense than fat, so you can be more muscular but appear smaller than a chubbier person of equal weight.

The curves of the graph are in reality a little more blurred.

I think it's pretty clear when someone is well muscled or just plain too fat. Let's not introduce fuzziness where none exists.

Yes, clear differences to look at, but the body-mass ratio could be the same.

It's only a rough guide, but its safe to say if you are obese or super-skinny on the graph, you are obese or super-skinny in real life.

can anyone tell me why everyone use the BMI.. its completely in 90% of the cases wrong yet people expecially idiotic trainers and healthcare tell you your obese.. or overweight.. 25%-29.9% = overweight.. 30% and above obese

also interesting that saturated fats actually are good for us for thousands of years before we had major farming and agriculture we ate 5-10x mroe than what doctors say is healthy,, back then there was much much lower heart disease.. in other words low fat diets dont help at all.. a study since 1948 the framingham study. actually found that the more saturated fat we eat.. the more cholestral we eat the lower persons serum cholestral.. in otherwords a high fat died does not mean your cholestral goes up.

i agree wtih this as my stepfather is proof of it

http://www.framinghamheartstudy.org/

Uh.. okay. How did they even know what the rates of heart disease were before the last century? "Heart disease" wasn't even a concept back then, and definitely not "thousands of years ago." So WTF?

Also, people are getting heart disease more often today because people are actually living longer lives. Age is the prime risk factor for heart disease.

The BMI is known to be inaccurate for athletic people.
This is a bit better:
http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/bodyfatcalipers.html.
It's also a good idea to measure belly fat by measuring your waist. Belly fat is more dangerous to carry around.

Apropos of nothing in particular...
According to the cultural anthropology class I took...hunter/gatherers get an average(average, mind) of about 2500 calories...Mothers in said cultures usually can't successfully breastfeed more than one child, and the quality of their food is such that the mother's required to breastfeed for three years.
Add in infant mortality, and you get a population that rarely reproduces beyond replacement value.
Agriculture turned us into freaking rabbits, reproductively speaking...

Something else...periodic fasting-like you might do in a famine...seems to help lower diabetes and heart disease...and up until (well, in the US) post-depression, people may or may not have had consistently enough to eat.
http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20110405/periodic-fasting-may-cut-risk-of-heart-disease-diabetes

When I was 6 my grandfather, who was 52, sat down in a chair and had a fatal heart attack. He was a full-time farmer.
His brother died of one also...at 86, while mucking out the cowbarn.
:shrug:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7bpaCJ1ARwA/TTYRy4nYZkI/AAAAAAAABKk/rMojkl-uHxk/s400/bmi-comparison.bmp

"Back then" people rarely lived beyond 40, so long term damage never showed up anyway. It didn't matter 'cos you wouldn't live long enough for your arteries to fur up.

And if you did die from heart disease "back then", they'd probably chalk it up to evil spirits or forgetting to close your bedroom window at night.

Haha! Yeah, probably! They believed it was unhealthy to wash, for Gods' sake!

Whats more, I know a fella who still believes it! Well, he's got contact dermatitis now!

The BMI is known to be inaccurate for athletic people.It's certainly true that BMI can be inaccurate for someone with low body fat and high muscle mass. But that's not the vast majority of people (in the USA, anyway). If you're a body builder with 30 or 40 more pounds of muscle than average, you probably already know that you're in good shape and won't be too worried about your BMI anyway.

To put it another way, if someone tells you that you're too fat based on your BMI, just ask yourself "do I work out with weights 3-4 times per week and chug protein shakes between meals?" If the answer is "no," then, well...

So, BMI isn't perfect, but I think someone who is muscular knows they aren't fat, whereas most fat people are in denial.

How is it wrong?

I am 5 10.. weigh 190 with 6% body fat how is that obese?

Don't sound fat to me, but then my BMI is over 30.

Protein shakes kinda suck as food IMHO, but weight training is good several times a week. The daily 10 mile run provides me a good base, as does lots of serious physical play with my 90 pound Labrador. The light bag is good for upper body, the headache bag for speed techniques and reaction time practice.

After my daily Taekwon Do patterns and warm - ups I find the katana (I usually practice with a wooden bokken in our home gym though), nanchaku, the bo staff and some time with the heavy gloves rounds it all out. I used to do both power lifting and power breaking - concrete pavers - to build up my bone density, but have restricted myself to re - breakable boards (the plastic ones that Bill 'superfoot' Wallace sells :o ) in the recent past as I work with my hands and that gets hard when they are too sore. I maintain sufficient skill to use the Iron Hand if needed though.

Since the BMI is often way off, especially for people who work out, one gets the impression this is part of a scam. It only uses the part of the data that inflates the index. It try to tell everyone they are fatter than they are, with the hope they will buy goods and services from the free market and government.

If I wanted to sell my special water, I would create an BWI (body water index) that will be designed to read slightly low. This way most people will be conned to buy my water since their BWI is low. However, I would also realize, that there will be those who will say, I don't feel thirsty so my body is just fine even if yur index says I need to buy a pint of special water. But as long as they go along an don't spoil the scam, there are still many sheep to shear.

The government agencies involved in obesity will get more funding the greater the problem is or appears to be. If I was a spin merchant earning by keep, I would come up with an index to make a mountain out of a molehill. A revised BMI might be needed if the scam is not hitting the projected numbers so even thin people need to enroll in a program.

Since the BMI is often way off, especially for people who work out, one gets the impression this is part of a scam. It try to tell everyone they are fatter than they are, with the hope they will buy goods and services from the free market and government.


LOL.

Put down the joint mate, you're getting paranoid.

I think a certain amount of the push to use the BMI is driven by C.Y.A. attitudes from overworked doctors and the push to sell scripts from the drug companies. If your BMI is too high, you need a blood pressure med, a cholesterol - lowering med and a sugar lowering med, the paid services of a dietitian and many more doctors office visits along with that unused gym membership.

I'm very petite. So I am always surprised when I have my BMI calculated that I'm only a point away from being considered overweight. Which I find mind-boggling.

Does the test they use on dogs work? If your ribs are visible you're underweight, if you can feel your ribs without much proding then you're a healthy weight and if you have to dig around to feel your ribs then you're overweight...and so on.

Let's just say it like it is. The BMI tells you when you are too fat.

And then there are people who are in fact fat, but have a good BMI.
This is not uncommon among young girls who look relatively slim, but who have very little muscle and too much fat.

According to the BMI, the normal weight for my height of 5' 7.75" would be in the range of 121 to 162.5.

I have large bone for a female and wear a man's large glove, and I do a lot of physical work and so carry more muscle than many women.

My weight usually stays between 147-157 depending on the time of the year. I have 'blimped' to 165 twice in my life and then took remedial action in the form of more attention to my diet/activity. One time the weight gain was in response to a medication and the second time was while recovering from an injury and a fondness for frozen chocolate yogurt. :o

Three years ago, my weight dipped to 133 and standing in front of the mirror, I was a bag of bones. Seriously. I looked like I must have a terminal condition. :(

I changed jobs, recovered to my usual weight and people (men and women) now frequently compliment me on my appearance once again. More importantly, I have far more immediate strength and endurance, more than people many years my junior who seem to fatigue much more easily.

I question the BMI scale also because I find it hard to think that I would still be breathing if my weight dropped to 121 lbs, considering the pathetic state I was in at 133. :shrug: