02-25-02, 10:06 PM
so im thinking that everything is subjective including our sences so we cant really be sure anything is real. things only exist because we think they exist, so if i stop thinking i exist i just might explode? (spontaniously combust for the nerds)
probably best not to think about it.
We only experience things through the subjective, but an objective reality is very useful to explain the origins of the things you're subjectively experiencing.
Without an objective reality, you don't seem to have any explanation for sickness or brain damage affecting your mental abilities, or for death. Also there's the fact that you seem to have very little control. Thus, it's very reasonable to assume that there are external physical causes for many, or in my opinion absolutely all, of your subjective experiences.
02-26-02, 06:07 AM
I agree that objective reality is an assumption science makes. But it is the minimum required assumption required in order to forumlate a working model of the universe, which, all said and done, works.
02-26-02, 10:39 PM
without objective reality we are fucked really!!
subjectivity is seductive to me though because it makes sence right to the definition. i do think the world is objectivly there, but im not sure if we all interpret it the same. or if we see the same things; because you see with yr mind, not your eyes. do you know what a blind man sees when he is able to see for the first time in his life? - nothing. he sees strange colours and shapes that have no registry. he has to LEARN to see. someone has to tell him something is orange or red or a square or a 7 or whatever. so seeing is certianly subjective. just HOW subjective is the fun thing to muse about.
02-26-02, 10:52 PM
If i said this before sorry but i heard that (i could have got it wrong) 90% of our memories never happend.
Also it is said that if 10 people see an event you will get 10 different versions of what happened
02-26-02, 11:27 PM
:eek: now youre TRYING to make me paranoid arnt you :mad: :p :cool:
03-02-02, 09:22 AM
*Also it is said that if 10 people see an event you will get 10 different versions of what happened*
Asguard is right here. Try it out. Do a little experiment with a few people. You will 'see' that the 'views' are different. :) Every one has another view and does even see the colors in a different kind Blue or Purple or any color you like, than you do. ;)
I think that I'm the only real thing in the universe and I just imagine all of you!
Some thoughts on thoughts, perception of colour and how the mind (whatever that is) works.
03-03-02, 08:59 PM
youre just a figment of my imagination ;)