how long has old ron been banned for?

how long has old ron been banned for?
And, of course: for what reason?

i think it was because he was stalking water

i think it was because he was stalking water
Mm, me too. But I'd like confirmation of that. Why?

I'm just nosey.

Ron and water (from what I gather reading the threads) were friends in traditional sense (not just forum) whether recognised a such or not. I'd call msn's, telephone calls and address swaps and gift exchanges as demonstration of friendship would u not? This friendship was halted after a VERY flatterring post by Ron about water to Kotoko. I think it was in waters thread, 'is kotoko aridezza'.

Water responded to Rons flattering post with a slur. It continued downwards from there. Ron thus (I assume?) feels betrayed and rejected. The normal stuff people feel when a pal dumps them unexplicably out of the blue. The dump was also public making it all the more of a betrayal.

The drama that since unfolded, unfolded in a thread started by water to Ron and jenyar, NOT by RON! Water says she made it to deter Ron and jenyar from pm and msns. We all know she could use ignore facility or re msn block, thus reason for public request was what exactly...whom is stalking whom? Whom is playing a clever game? Meanwhile how humiliating to have someone you regarded in such high esteem as Ron held Water to have a thread such as the 'open letter to' thread aimed at them by said friend is it any wonder the reaction was a big one.

When someone you love (in a friendship way) takes that declaration and uses it to stab u in the back, front and sides, it is painful no?


Examine the evidence carefully if you please. This is supposed to be a thread for the intelligent not the blind and easily led.

An intriguing case don't ya think ? :)

Tune in for the next episode of..............

if you read the kotoko thread slams the thread in the 2nd post and then her in the 9th, its hardly as if you have to go through it ToR

I can lead a horse to water (oooh a pun) I cannot make it drink.

Ron said this:

perplexity
Banned (565 posts) 05-25-06, 12:45 PM
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Kotoko, you seem here to have no awareness here of how totally negative your stance appears to be.

What, one wonders, attracted the two of you to begin with?

Having fallen in love with her eloquence, her innate wisdom, her tenacity, her principles, her humanity, it would then be a total hypocrisy on my part to back out just because I happen to occasion the scorn of the very same qualities.

For sure I shall stand for myself, I shall criticise and argue as need be, but not without a second thought, with no respect about it. She has actively cared for me, suffering more from me as I did from her, and taught me a lot in the process, all in all the best friend I ever had.[U]


With best wishes, RH. "

You will note the insults go both ways:

Meanwhile I reiterate.... Water (NOT RON) started the 'open letter thread' and for what reason?

Block features exist here and on msn......why public letter enciting and inviting a response if none was desired? Why ?

Devil you are very young and have yet to learn the intricacies of the games people play, you are being played as have some very old players.

This forum for some appears to be used as a personal diary.....why the need to 'purge' oneself in public.......what function does it serve. I find it all fascinating and perhaps that is the intent....to lure...to intrigue.......a book in the making perhaps.

Ohhh and I lied........a game move........I actually find most of it boring and very self indulgent.

how long has old ron been banned for?

That's what I wanted to know... but never got around to asking. Probably because I don't care.

How long does someone usually get banned for?

7 days.
i think

Roman was banned for 3 days for racist comments. Hehe. Silly guy.

Poor Ron; I like the bent he puts on stuff

poor ol ron

God damn, so much drama.

No wonder so many non-scientific girls like this place..

- N

God damn, so much drama.

No wonder so many non-scientific girls like this place..

- N

I wish Bobby Fischer would join this forum :D

Bobby Fischer... Absane, do you play chess? If you want to play a game I am sure that we could!

Bobby Fischer... Absane, do you play chess? If you want to play a game I am sure that we could!

I know how to play chess... that is, I know all the rules (en passant... castling rules.. basic peice movement.. ect..). I went through his book, "Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess." I do not claim to be good, but I do not suck either.

Sure we can play tonight if you want.

Bobby Fischer... Absane, do you play chess? If you want to play a game I am sure that we could!
Ron is actually a very good chess player, from what I gathered.

Ron is actually a very good chess player, from what I gathered.

Well then... we shall form a chess club :cool:

Nerds, unite!

Just out of interest, do any of you virtual life forms understand what friendship is? I shall start thread (against my better judgement) to hear what you have to say on this matter.

Not really.. to tell you the truth.. I have very few friends. And it is in my experience that these "friends" don't really see me as a friend. Evidence: I cut off contact with my "friends" for about 2 months (due to some circumstances not having to do them). It took them that two months to realize I was even missing. How sad?

They are great people and I hang out with them sometimes... but it seems to do not really have any. I live mostly in my head, where things make more sense (well sometimes my head is more confusing than the real world).

Hail virtual friends :bugeye:

Ron is actually a very good chess player, from what I gathered.

You might catch him now at freechess.org logged in as torsansalo.

Anne.

Not really.. to tell you the truth.. I have very few friends. And it is in my experience that these "friends" don't really see me as a friend. Evidence: I cut off contact with my "friends" for about 2 months (due to some circumstances not having to do them). It took them that two months to realize I was even missing. How sad?

They are great people and I hang out with them sometimes... but it seems to do not really have any. I live mostly in my head, where things make more sense (well sometimes my head is more confusing than the real world).

Hail virtual friends :bugeye:

Maybe it's becuase you lack any genuine interest in the people you meet. People will not want you as a friend is you are not interested in them and do not give of yourself to contribute to their sense of happiness. This is how friendship works, each party gives and each party receives. It is not an intellectual playground it is an emotional one.

Maybe it's becuase you lack any genuine interest in the people you meet. People will not want you as a friend is you are not interested in them and do not give of yourself to contribute to their sense of happiness. This is how friendship works, each party gives and each party receives. It is not an intellectual playground it is an emotional one.

Any real friends I have had were intellectual friends.. never emotional. The people I tend to hang out with are out there for the thrill of things... which I will join in when I am drunk (they are mostly drinking friends).

The do not really show a genuine interest in males... they tend to use me to do their math homework or fix their computer. I'll show genuine interest in females, but I always get turned down. I got close once, but in the end she turned me down because I was not the kind of guy that would go to frat parties every other night. What was funny is she would hit on me at work for months and I tried not to give in because I was her supervisor. LOL.

The males I know have very 'tight' bonds with other males, and they are emotional albeit unspoken emotion! But if there is trouble they are there together, solid. Nothing stands between them. It is love, and is not nearly as competitive as seen in female friendships. If you want friends Ab you have to be one. Give of yourself. Here you talk talk talk about yourself, you need to show interest in other people for them to be attracted to you. Appealing to the vanity of others is guarranteed to win friends.

we should play chess, absane or existabrent.

im around 1800 uscf....i havent played a tournament in europe yet.

The males I know have very 'tight' bonds with other males, and they are emotional albeit unspoken emotion! But if there is trouble they are there together, solid. Nothing stands between them.

Hehe.. very true. The friends I had in the past, it was like that. Well there was on guy who had that bond with me, but to me I wish he would have just died or something. He always tried to force me into things I thought were wrong.


If you want friends Ab you have to be one. Give of yourself. Here you talk talk talk about yourself, you need to show interest in other people for them to be attracted to you. Appealing to the vanity of others is guarranteed to win friends.

For some guys, I do have an interest in them... but like many things I think, I feel it is self-evident... at least lots of things are self-evident to me that I feel it doesn't need to be spoken. I'll go and support my friends are soccer matches or video game tournies... but I never come out and say "your the man.. blah blah blah."

But like I said, females on the other hand... I do show a genuine interest.. I'll talk more about them than me... and it probably scares them :bugeye:

we should play chess, absane or existabrent.

im around 1800 uscf....i havent played a tournament in europe yet.

I used to be very good at Hex... I would frequent playsite.com when they used to have Hex. I was ranked 2000 or so. I learned about the game after watching the deleted scenes from A Beautiful Mind. It's a VERY simple game, but very hard to master.

freechess.org?
any other sites u guys play at?

freechess.org?
any other sites u guys play at?

I haven't played in months.. but usually it's on games.yahoo.com.

we should play chess, absane or existabrent.

im around 1800 uscf....i havent played a tournament in europe yet.

That is about the same as Ron used to have (British Chess Federation grade = 155)

He used to do weekend tournaments but hasn't played serious slow chess for a long long time. The last was probably back in the 1980s or early 90s.

He only does casual online blitz now, grade about 1700.

Anne.

Just out of interest, do any of you virtual life forms understand what friendship is?

Is it, like, following each across threads, being all wordy, quoting Shakespeare and shit. And then, like, spending hours PM'ing each other 'till she forgets she's an innocent and gets all "horny" and starts talking like, er, er, Gustav?

i think it was because he was stalking water

I wouldn't exactly say that he was stalking her as she hasn't been around much to be stalked. Just obsessing over her and mentioning her in practically every post he made. Even going so far as to pop into random threads to say something about her from out of the blue. Existabrent had some thread where he did this, and that's what annoyed me finally enough to try to get through to him a little bit when I saw him ressurect that old dead thing to poke some more.


ToR,

Wow. Way to go with the play by play, girlfriend.
You should like start up a gossip column and stuff. Cause you are just that good.
Anyway. Does it matter what caused the friendship to break up? That's not the real issue. The issue is the fact that he's constantly going on and on about it. Despite being warned by James to cease and desist.

Anyway. You, yourself, noted the fact that things were going on in pm. So why do you think that the cause of the split was some stupid shit in some stupid thread? Ever think that the roots might just be a bit deeper than that? And that stupid shit in that stupid thread might have been a symptom and not a cause?
Gasp. Say it ain't so, Joe!


Oh. And about that thread she made asking him and Jenyar to leave her alone. This is because the two of them had been having this long, heartfelt conversation in a few other threads about their seperate relationships with her.
Long, drawn-out conversations. Full of water analysis. So much analysis. They were pretty much going through her entrails looking for lumps.
I see no reason why they can't have conversations like that in private. That's what pm's are for.
Well. I can think of why they'd have it in public actually. To draw her into it.
She didn't take the bait and instead asked James to intervene.

In some ways, you can say she's getting her 'just desserts'. But, all that's personal bullshit and I can understand her desire to keep it personal.

ready to play chess?
whoever has a FICS or whatever the site Anne recommended, I say i'm ready. haven't signed up yet. But about to. You guys should go there it looks really awesome... but we don't have to, no, infact i would like to play tonight just saying, that place looks uuber rockin.

i'm going to have to get up with big P Perplexity about this....

I can't stand Ron. He's all emotional and stuff.

seriously.
But try to talk to him. He's pretty in depth :)

I got to go with Roman... Ron may be a great guy, but the way he talks just annoys the hell out of me. No doubt he is smart. And probably a good guy.

He's ponderous and strikes me as a crybaby. The only time I can handle emotions like that is when a best friend is homeless, drunk and telling me his dreams. Any other time, and I'm like, wtf? Does this look like myspace? Come on, seriously, do you see me picking up 14 year old girls? No. So get your shit together and bury those feelings like a man.

gee, roman. well said

Any other time, and I'm like, wtf? Does this look like myspace?

Haha. Nice. I got to remember that gem for future use :)

He's ponderous and strikes me as a crybaby. The only time I can handle emotions like that is when a best friend is homeless, drunk and telling me his dreams. Any other time, and I'm like, wtf? Does this look like myspace? Come on, seriously, do you see me picking up 14 year old girls? No. So get your shit together and bury those feelings like a man.
Bang on the nail, really. Sorry Ron :(

perplexity was banned for 3 days. Hopefully, that will be enough.

Good. I kind of miss him not being here. Glad it wasn't 7.

There's a difference between intellecutally entertaining ones' self with another's patheticness, and grokking the person.

I don't think invert's grokked your hubby, like he's grokked water (or thinks he has). Invert's chuckling at it all, as an impartial observer, and saying, you guys are lame. But not too loudy, because we all know this sort of thing is his sort of thing. It's what makes sciforums special. Gossip gossip gossip.

I wouldn't exactly say that he was stalking her as she hasn't been around much to be stalked. Just obsessing over her and mentioning her in practically every post he made. Even going so far as to pop into random threads to say something about her from out of the blue. Existabrent had some thread where he did this, and that's what annoyed me finally enough to try to get through to him a little bit when I saw him ressurect that old dead thing to poke some more.


ToR,

Wow. Way to go with the play by play, girlfriend.
You should like start up a gossip column and stuff. Cause you are just that good.
Anyway. Does it matter what caused the friendship to break up? That's not the real issue. The issue is the fact that he's constantly going on and on about it. Despite being warned by James to cease and desist.

Anyway. You, yourself, noted the fact that things were going on in pm. So why do you think that the cause of the split was some stupid shit in some stupid thread? Ever think that the roots might just be a bit deeper than that? And that stupid shit in that stupid thread might have been a symptom and not a cause?


It is shame isn't it, when people fall out but with no apparent need for it? Or is it?

I have wondered about the wanton negativity, where I am supposed to stand with it, what I am allowed to say or not to say, but I don't see why you should have to, and your description of it is not what I see of his recent posting history, but never mind that.

If I don't care what anybody says here and if nobody else is so bothered, why should it bother you so much?

You replied to Ron before with this


You're nothing to me, so my trying to help you past this obstacle is nothing to me.

and to me with this


My interest in you is next to nil.

You should try to believe what you write.


Anne.

That's odd, her post disappeared.

It was basically saying "Invert, pot kettle black," or maybe "you flaming hypocrite."

Centered around invert "not caring" then ended with "try to believe what you write."

Whoa, weird. My post is now before hers.

Goddamn republicans breaking our intraweb.

It is shame isn't it, when people fall out but with no apparent need for it? Or is it?

Yes. It is a shame.
But it happens.
It's happened to me just as it's happened to most people.
You take it and deal with it.
You don't obsess over it forever.
And this doesn't mean that you just let it go, necessarily.
You can try to find ways of dealing with it.
But, there's dealing with it, and then there's strewing your dirty laundry (and more importantly her dirty laundry) all over a public forum.

See, Anne, what you're failing to grasp.
And what your dear, dear hubby is failing to grasp.
Is that I really don't give a shit about the detail of his friendship and breakup with dear, dear Water.
That's personal shit between him and her (and you.)
All I've ever tried to talk to him about is his going on and on about her all over the fucking place.
He, meanwhile, kept trying to defend his relationship with her. Defend his actions in his relationship with her. Tried to make her look like the bad guy in his relationship with her. Tried to make her the bad guy all the way around. You know, the hypocrite that she is and all. He won't be happy until she comes to the forum and proclaims what a fucking bitch she is and how super cool he is. That's pretty much what he said at one point, remember? A goal he asked if I took objection to. Which I did.

He kept missing the point altogether. That I wasn't talking about her. I was talking about him. He kept talking about her. Getting more and more personal with each passing post. Which, in the end, resulted in his temp ban.

And, I suspect, he still has no understanding of what the fuck happened. Probably thinks I goaded him into saying all that shit. While, I, on the other hand, was trying to get him to talk about something else altogether which his obsession with her prevented him from even realizing exists....
Himself.
Himself. Not in relation to her.
Rather. Himself. In relation to himself and his actions in the forum at large.

I feel bad for the guy. I really do.
Losing a friend sucks. It sucks bad.
But, I don't like how he's dealing with it. I don't like how he's trying to turn the tables.
I know he probably feels he has few options. He wants to continue communicating with her. Desperate to continue communicating with her. And he can't email her. Can't pm her. Can't IM her.
So he's only got the forums to go on and on about her and hope she reads him and hopes even more that she'll join in. That she can't resist but to join in.

That's where his fault lies.

I know. It's harsh. That even this option is taken away from him.
But that's how it is, Mrs. Perplexity.

Life's a bitch, yes?


If I don't care what anybody says here and if nobody else is so bothered, why should it bother you so much?

Bothered?
What makes you think that I'm 'so bothered'?
I'm annoyed when I see him popping up all over the place obsessing about her.
I've given the straw that broke the camel's back.
He posted in Brent's Conversating thread with a bitch about how he's not allowed to talk about personal shit and so he doesn't see why anyone else should be able to. Him not realizing, due to his obsession, that his type of 'personal shit' is completely different than Brent's 'personal shit'. His personal shit has to do with someone else. Brent's is all his own.

And. Yeah. He wasn't directly talking about her. But he was bitching that he wasn't allowed to talk about her. "By name" he said in some other thread somewhere. He was still talking about her, but thought that by not mentioning her name he could get away with it.

And, now is where you say I must be like really obsessed with your hubby because I've read so much of what he read? Well. I tend to read quite a bit of what goes on around the forums. And, truth to tell, your hubby's words are some of the more literate words on the forums of late... but not of late as he's been so obsessed about Water.
He's also generally stuck on Eastern religious philosophy which bores the shit out of me too, but I still read some of his posts here and there.
I read a lot.

If I'm obsessed, it's not with your husband, but with the forums as a whole.

So. Get your terms right, my dear.
I'm not 'so bothered'.


You replied to Ron before with this

You're nothing to me, so my trying to help you past this obstacle is nothing to me.

Is it mandatory that I believe what I write?
Anyway. You failed to quote me perfectly. I said elsewhere, in that post where I sais my interest in you is next to nil, that your husband annoys with his behavior thus prompting me to try to 'fix' it.

Annoy, Mrs. Perplexity. Annoy.

Your husband is being an annoying little shit.

...because we all know this sort of thing is his sort of thing.

You little transvestite, you.

Is Invert now obsessing about Perplexity obsessing about water?

You say your obsession is about the forums, but you keep talking about P, and being rude to his wife.

If the problem is talking about it, don't :)

Is Invert now obsessing about Perplexity obsessing about water?

I've already addressed this very topic to Mrs. Perplexity, Mr. Jenyar.
I'm not obsessing over shit.

I'm here posting in a public thread about the doings of Perplexity in public threads.
I'm not going and on about private dealings.

Do you perchance see the difference now, Mr. Jenyar?
A little bit, perhaps?

I don't think you're as blind as Mr. Perplexity. I'd hope that you are able to see the trees and the forest at the same time. You always seemed mostly rational despite your christianity...


You say your obsession is about the forums, but you keep talking about P, and being rude to his wife.

Oh? I keep talking about P? Really? Is the majority of my posting in the forums about P? Do I go on and on and on about P?
Or do I just have a line of conversation open about P?
Hmm?

And who gives a shit if I'm rude to his wife? She's always been quite rude every time she's appeared. I don't blame her, she's quite defensive. But, I sure as hell ain't gonna call her honey.

I've no axe to grind at all in this but I do have to say that Ron was: Being obsessive; Making things public that were best kept private; and Doing so in unnecessary detail.

Does anyone disagree (invert_nexus: I hereby bar you from expressing an opinion)?

Hell. I actually defended the fucker in my first post in here. I downgraded him from 'stalking' to merely being obsessed.

I wish I knew what was going on. Where do I start reading?

and your description of it is not what I see of his recent posting history, but never mind that.

This is possible, Anne. I must admit that I do not follow your husband's posting in total. I only sample. So, perhaps my sampling has brought me to incorrect results, but I have, through my sampling, determined a rather large amount of Water obsessive behavior. And, then the straw that broke the camel's back. And then the resurrecting of the dead thread....

I have seen 'some' posts of his that actually managed to escape his obsession with water for the most part. But they have been, in my sampling, the exception and not the rule.

This comment may seem totally unrelated, but it isn't.

It's funny when you actually refer to something scientific on sciforums and you get the standard reaction: what's your problem creep.

More directly on topic and directly in line with some of the topics Invert is dipping into:

It always comes down to WWAD? WWAD are the only 4 letters of the alphabet (or 3 if you aren't Athelwulf).

He would moan and bitch on why Mr. C. isn't answering his queeries.




- some hints for the average sciforumer -
(So what would you do?)

(and what did Ron do?)

Yes. It is a shame.
But it happens.
It's happened to me just as it's happened to most people.
You take it and deal with it.
You don't obsess over it forever.
And this doesn't mean that you just let it go, necessarily.
You can try to find ways of dealing with it.
But, there's dealing with it, and then there's strewing your dirty laundry (and more importantly her dirty laundry) all over a public forum.

See, Anne, what you're failing to grasp.
And what your dear, dear hubby is failing to grasp.
Is that I really don't give a shit about the detail of his friendship and breakup with dear, dear Water.
That's personal shit between him and her (and you.)
All I've ever tried to talk to him about is his going on and on about her all over the fucking place.
He, meanwhile, kept trying to defend his relationship with her. Defend his actions in his relationship with her. Tried to make her look like the bad guy in his relationship with her. Tried to make her the bad guy all the way around. You know, the hypocrite that she is and all. He won't be happy until she comes to the forum and proclaims what a fucking bitch she is and how super cool he is. That's pretty much what he said at one point, remember? A goal he asked if I took objection to. Which I did.

He kept missing the point altogether. That I wasn't talking about her. I was talking about him. He kept talking about her. Getting more and more personal with each passing post. Which, in the end, resulted in his temp ban.

And, I suspect, he still has no understanding of what the fuck happened. Probably thinks I goaded him into saying all that shit. While, I, on the other hand, was trying to get him to talk about something else altogether which his obsession with her prevented him from even realizing exists....
Himself.
Himself. Not in relation to her.
Rather. Himself. In relation to himself and his actions in the forum at large.

I feel bad for the guy. I really do.
Losing a friend sucks. It sucks bad.
But, I don't like how he's dealing with it. I don't like how he's trying to turn the tables.
I know he probably feels he has few options. He wants to continue communicating with her. Desperate to continue communicating with her. And he can't email her. Can't pm her. Can't IM her.
So he's only got the forums to go on and on about her and hope she reads him and hopes even more that she'll join in. That she can't resist but to join in.

That's where his fault lies.

I know. It's harsh. That even this option is taken away from him.
But that's how it is, Mrs. Perplexity.

Life's a bitch, yes?



Bothered?
What makes you think that I'm 'so bothered'?
I'm annoyed when I see him popping up all over the place obsessing about her.
I've given the straw that broke the camel's back.
He posted in Brent's Conversating thread with a bitch about how he's not allowed to talk about personal shit and so he doesn't see why anyone else should be able to. Him not realizing, due to his obsession, that his type of 'personal shit' is completely different than Brent's 'personal shit'. His personal shit has to do with someone else. Brent's is all his own.

And. Yeah. He wasn't directly talking about her. But he was bitching that he wasn't allowed to talk about her. "By name" he said in some other thread somewhere. He was still talking about her, but thought that by not mentioning her name he could get away with it.

And, now is where you say I must be like really obsessed with your hubby because I've read so much of what he read? Well. I tend to read quite a bit of what goes on around the forums. And, truth to tell, your hubby's words are some of the more literate words on the forums of late... but not of late as he's been so obsessed about Water.
He's also generally stuck on Eastern religious philosophy which bores the shit out of me too, but I still read some of his posts here and there.
I read a lot.

If I'm obsessed, it's not with your husband, but with the forums as a whole.

So. Get your terms right, my dear.
I'm not 'so bothered'.



Is it mandatory that I believe what I write?
Anyway. You failed to quote me perfectly. I said elsewhere, in that post where I sais my interest in you is next to nil, that your husband annoys with his behavior thus prompting me to try to 'fix' it.

Annoy, Mrs. Perplexity. Annoy.

Your husband is being an annoying little shit.

Rather long post for someone who is not bothered. Not bothered is generally demonstrated by not replying to a post. Or doing so with the bare minimum of words.

Tune in for the next thrilling episode of Invert stirs the shit and waits as it hits the fan.

Ron obsessed about water? Hmm was water obsessd about kotoko?
Is Invert in love with water and obsessed with Ron (in a manly way :eek: )

Who started what thread? Who prompted the defensive postings? Were they initiated by Ron or incited by Invert? If this should be in pm and I agree it should) why the lengthy interference from the knights of the round table?
Why WAS Ron banned....the insults of the opposing player were over looked as the drama unfurled, the public posts remain so no complaint could have been made re thier content from said player? Is James R in love with water?

Keep tuning in folks................you are all being played

Hmmmmmmmmm where's my fiddle

theres a lovely song that kids listen to at story time:

(imagine moi singing)

" I'm a story teller.......and my story must be told...........I'm a story teller..........I tell to young and to the olddddddddddd"

"On my many travels I have seen many faaaaaces
Many tales have I...from many plaaaaaces
In Russia I am Ivan
In England I am John
In Germany I'm Johan
In Sweden I am Jaaaaaaaaan."

what a lovely singing you voice you have and thanks for rest of those words, my memory is not what is was :( fabulous darliiiiiiiiiing, absolutely fabulousssssssssss) this should be called sci-soaps not sci forums eh?

Rather long post for someone who is not bothered. Not bothered is generally demonstrated by not replying to a post. Or doing so with the bare minimum of words.

And how about an episode of ToR just doesn't get it.
Annoyed, Theory. Annoyed.
Does that word cognate?

And, actually, that's really a rather short post. I'm sure it seems long to you though.


Were they initiated by Ron or incited by Invert?

Once more showing you just don't get it.
I addressed his posting. Not his personal relationship with Water. He was free to discuss his posting habits, but instead he insisted on discussing his relationship with Water.

Simple stuff, ToR. Please do try to follow along. I know it's not as insanely interesting as the soap opera you had in mind (or the one on your television). But please try.


Why WAS Ron banned

Because he seemingly couldn't stop himself from posting endlessly on the details of his relationship and breakup with Water.


Keep tuning in folks................you are all being played

What's really funny, ToR. Is how you. Someone who quit the forums, seems to know all about it. And in such rapt and splendid detail. Although you seem to have forgone that detail now that you've been called on it and instead try ridicule which doesn't work because.. umm. you know... you completely missed the point.

I addressed his posting. Not his personal relationship with Water. He was free to discuss his posting habits, but instead he insisted on discussing his relationship with Water.


Steady on.

If you get any dizzier than that about it you'll fall over and hurt yourself.

As a matter of fact, further to this edited post

http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1073308#post1073308

I had posted to the other thread especially to discuss the posting habit:


Rather than note what I say, I am not even allowed to mention her name!

invert_nexus then specifically directed himself away from that, patently prefering to make a personal issue of it:



And, Ron, it's not that you can't mention her name, it's that you are fucking obsessed and turn every conversation you are into a cry-fest over how Water is such a fucking hypocrite and blah blah blah. But, it's not that you're accusing her of being a hypocrite that's the problem. It's that that is only a cover for your real problem, which is that you have been rejected and are hurt and blah blah blah blah.

invert_nexus had also appeared to totally decline a second invitation here:

http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1081003#post1081003

And James R had already deleted my previous attempt on the Open Letter thread, posted especially to discuss the posting habit, a concern that might just as well apply to any member:

http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1076164#post1076164

Were he rather willing to discuss I was willing do so, in terms of the evidence and the operative policy, whatever that may be.

If one is not even allowed allowed to link to previous postings in order to show information that a subject had already freely chosen to divulge, then I think that a matter of good concern to members in general, to know how such an edict is supposed to work.

--- Ron.

Oh golly...

Hi Ron.

I've no axe to grind at all in this but I do have to say that Ron was: Being obsessive; Making things public that were best kept private; and Doing so in unnecessary detail.

Does anyone disagree (invert_nexus: I hereby bar you from expressing an opinion)?

I object to the persecutor victim implication.

The precedent for quoting personal communication was set not by me but by "water" last March in this posting here:

http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=999992#post999992

The quote headed "Originally Posted by ... on 8 March 2006 @ 2:29 PM" was not posted to sciforums; it was an extract from a personal private message on the E-Sangha forum.

Soap opera addicts may also care to review the extensive exchanges subsequent to that to see who was obsessed with who.
It is all there in the postings history list.

She raised the stakes then she lost her nerve and quit with stage fright.

Too bad.

--- Ron.

ok.

Can I recommend a mammoth dose of 'Get-Over-It' now for all concerned?

Can I recommend a mammoth dose of 'Get-Over-It' now for all concerned?

Believe it or not I do have other things to do, nor do I see what there is to get over, except to continue because postings from others behoved a response.

I never started a thread to discuss a person. I never raised such an issue out of the blue. All I ever did, on every occasion was to respond with what came to mind to what was already posted and of interest to me.

--- Ron.

ron wanna play chess? :)

ron wanna play chess? :)
i wouldnt be surprised if anyone took sliting their wrists than playing chess with you

shut your mouth, reject.

im the only one allowed to have the devil in their username.

i wouldnt be surprised if anyone took sliting their wrists than playing chess with you

reject you SHOULD think before you type.

In May you told me cancer was too good a death for me, that was VERY badly timed as just 5 short days later (ish) I was due to have appt to detect cancer.

Now, your comment upset me greatly, the tears were streaming as that subject was VERY close to my chest at that time. I typed a few responses then deleted them for something less emotional.

There are people here that are in a very delicate state of mind. Brent is a human being and to suggest something as ludicrous as you have demontrates your immaturity and insensitivity.

I wouldn't be suprised, either :(

they'll still lose :) if they don't, rematch! or whatever.

shut your mouth, reject.

im the only one allowed to have the devil in their username.

There's devils_reject, too. Check the member list :p

He, however, is the only one allowed. ;)

all others are infidels.

i now and forever proclaim myself the only Devil ALLOWED on this forum.

all others must defeat me in a fiddle playing contest in order to continue using their handle.

bring it on, imposters!!

haha.
You know,
Invert_Nexus has a lot that he is beind DENIED.

I think that he very well deserves to be acredeted the rank of "...thread nice poster guy" or whatever. Something like that. That is the rank he deserves, anywho.

invert_nexus then specifically directed himself away from that, patently prefering to make a personal issue of it:

And, Ron, it's not that you can't mention her name, it's that you are fucking obsessed and turn every conversation you are into a cry-fest over how Water is such a fucking hypocrite and blah blah blah. But, it's not that you're accusing her of being a hypocrite that's the problem. It's that that is only a cover for your real problem, which is that you have been rejected and are hurt and blah blah blah blah.

Personal?
I clearly say that the issue is not about you saying her name. But rather about the things you are saying. I'm not getting 'personal'. I'm discussing your posting habits.


invert_nexus had also appeared to totally decline a second invitation here:

http://sciforums.com/showthread.php...003#post1081003

Thread got locked, buddy boy. I actually intended to eventually find the time to make some kind of response, but it got locked before I did. I intended to say something along the lines of there being no need for names for the words to have meaning.

I don't need to know that you're Ron Harvey from London, UK to evaluate words. That knowledge does absolutely nothing for my evaluation of the content of your posts.

The words stand on their own. They don't need your identity to give them sort of reality. They are real themselves.

A creator must stand back from his creation. To let his creation have an existence apart from him. Otherwise, his creation is nothing but part of himself. And dies with him.

Once uttered, words have their own existence.
Apart from your identity.


As a matter of fact, further to this edited post

http://sciforums.com/showthread.php...308#post1073308

I had posted to the other thread especially to discuss the posting habit:

Rather than note what I say, I am not even allowed to mention her name!

Ah. There it is. I knew you said something about her name elsewhere.
Anyway. In Brent's Philosophy as a problem thread, I was addressing something else. In that one I was addressing how you were being a vindictive piece of shit. Breaking out the personal to use to inflict hurt on Water. To hurt her like you'd been hurt.

I took offense to this for very personal reasons.
If you love someone, Ron, then you love them. You can't take back that love, even if they become something you no longer love. The love still exists as something that was. That person that you loved existed. And to turn on them as you did Water in that thread, I found offensive. In the extreme.

Especially as the things you were using were, frankly speaking, low blows.

And. Then I faded out of the conversation. Sorry, but I really can't maintain an interest in your doings for very long. Although I am bound to return should I find reason to. As happened later, in the thread you ressurected.


And James R had already deleted my previous attempt on the Open Letter thread, posted especially to discuss the posting habit, a concern that might just as well apply to any member:

http://sciforums.com/showthread.php...164#post1076164

Well. I can't do much about that, can I?
Again. The thread was locked.

However. That thread is an excellent case in point. In this thread, Water asked you and Jenyar to please refrain from your public chats about her.
A reasonable request, wouldn't you say?
Instead, you chose to bring said chat into said thread.
Refusing to honor her request.

James sided with her. And rightly so.

Do you really think that the conversations about her that you and Jenyar were having were pertinent to the forums at large? Why couldn't they have taken place in private?

I posit that the reason is that you wish to draw her into your conversation. I might be wrong, but that's the motive I ascribe to you.

What say you?


If one is not even allowed allowed to link to previous postings in order to show information that a subject had already freely chosen to divulge, then I think that a matter of good concern to members in general, to know how such an edict is supposed to work.

Linking to public posts is fine, in my opinion.
And even bringing in private communications is ok sometimes.
But you took it too far, Ron.
You took it far too far.
And if you can't see that, then you need an attitude adjustment.


The precedent for quoting personal communication was set not by me but by "water" last March in this posting here:

http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=999992#post999992

The quote headed "Originally Posted by ... on 8 March 2006 @ 2:29 PM" was not posted to sciforums; it was an extract from a personal private message on the E-Sangha forum.

Well. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I don't think anybody is saying Water is some kind of innocent. Nobody's making judgements on her at all because she's remained aloof.

It's you that have drug your name through the mud by trying to drag hers.


She raised the stakes then she lost her nerve and quit with stage fright.

Too bad.

Maybe so.
But, she's playing according to the rules, yes?
She's free to bow out, isn't she?
Or do you think that because she 'raised the stakes' in some way, that you're free to harrass her endlessly?
Hell. That's not even right. You're not harrassing her. Although you might be if she were around. You're just obsessing over her...

See, Ron.
Even now you keep bringing it back to Water.
And, at least now you're doing it an acceptable manner, in my eyes. You're not getting all uber-personal and are instead restricting yourself to posting behaviors. Public behavior.

You can most likely make a case that she has broken the taboos herself.
But, that doesn't change the fact that you went too far.

Don't you think so?


And look.
I'm sorry that I come across so negative.
Annoyance does that, you know?
Hell, you've annoyed me like that for quite a while actually. I've never liked how you just decided to start calling her by her real name in the forums. Because you choose to use your real name has no bearing on her. She's said to me that she didn't really mind. But that she never gave you permission.
That's a liberty that is not really yours to take.

What's in a name, Ron?
Why do you feel they are so important here?


Anyway.
I'm pretty fucking sick of talking about all this shit anyway.
Hopefully you do understand a bit what I've been trying to say.
If not, and you continue, then I wouldn't be surprised if I call you on your bullshit again someday. I have a tendency to do that.

So.
Sorry that I'm an asshole. But, that's me.
I call a spade a spade.


Brent,


Invert_Nexus has a lot that he is beind DENIED.

What the hell you talking about my behind for?
Fag!


I think that he very well deserves to be acredeted the rank of "...thread nice poster guy" or whatever. Something like that. That is the rank he deserves, anywho.

I am a nice guy. Sometimes. But still an asshole.
An interesting concept. The mix of asshole and nice guy... I actually know several people like that. Hmm.
Many people never make it past asshole to see nice guy.
Some people never make it past nice guy to see asshole.
Some people just don't make it at all...

Alright, I'm gonna go make some popcorn. I need to munch on something while reading this entertainment.

Only thing missing is previews. Anyone wanna give me a summary of some other drama going on to make this feel like a real theater experience?

:D

- N

]In May you told me cancer was too good a death for me, that was VERY badly timed as just 5 short days later (ish) I was due to have appt to detect cancer.

Careful guys, thedevilsreject can kill you through his computer! The only way to be certain he doesn't kill you is to block him!

Fuck you then invert nexus!

Hmm.
Hope you realize I was joking about the fag thing.
But, take it like you want.