Is it possible to see God with the biggest telescope ever?

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by identityless, Mar 19, 2006.

  1. identityless Registered Senior Member

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    When you look through a telescope to see the sun, you are viewing the light source from it right? Since light takes about 6 mins. from the sun to earth, you are seeing the sun 6 mins. ago. With the Hubble telescope, lens got bigger and stronger and thus able to see farther. The galaxy that formed millions of years ago can be seen with a telescope. However, the galaxy we see existed million of years ago.

    Now, what if we could built a telescope so powerful that it could see over trillions and trillion years ago before the Big Bang? What if NASA in the far future developed a telescope on the moon, the size of Russia, with lens covering the diameter of the size of USA. This Ultra-Powerful telescope have the ability to see 10^30000000000 light years away. A time before the Big Bang even occur?

    What are the possibilities that we could see from this powerful telescope?

    The past-universe? If we subscribe to theory of expanding-collapsing universe, then the universe that which we live in now is just one of the many expanding-collapsing cycle. In which case, looking through the telescope we could see another huge different universe?

    God? An Intelligent Designer? What about seeing the pre-Big Bang? What if we could see the ID planning the whole Big Bang and designing it trillions and trillions of light years away? We could even see the process the ID did to conceive the Big Bang.

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  3. Poincare's Stepchild Inside a Klein bottle. Registered Senior Member

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    Can't be done.

    For one thing, theory says the Big Bang itself makes it impossible to see any information from before the BB.

    And secondly, we can't even see that far back. We can only see back to the point the universe cooled enough for atoms to form. Before that the universe was full of plasma, which is opaque to all EM.

    BTW, your time scales are a little off. It takes 8.3 minutes for light to get here from the sun. And most galaxies are BILLIONS of light years away.
     
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  5. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    more of the same
    i believe the universe is truely infinite there is no end
    furthermore i believe that there was no beginning
     
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  7. Poincare's Stepchild Inside a Klein bottle. Registered Senior Member

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    You might believe that, but the evidence says otherwise. The universe appears to be about 13.7 billion years old. And it appears to be finite. Expanding at the speed of light, the age also limits it size.

    Is there something beyond it? Or before it? Who knows. If there is, we will never be able to see it, to know anything about it.

    At least, all the evidence we have to date says that.
     
  8. domesticated om Stickler for details Valued Senior Member

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    If you were able to build a telescope with a powerful enough magnification to see past the beginning of the universe, you still wouldn't be able to see anything until god created light. I guess conceivably, you could point it towards the center of the universe (the earth) for the first 6 earth-centric days, and maybe you'll catch a glimse of god creating more stuff.
     
  9. Poincare's Stepchild Inside a Klein bottle. Registered Senior Member

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    Let there be light, and there was the Big Bang.
     
  10. Novacane Registered Senior Member

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    I don't think there is any need to attempt to construct a very big and powerful telescope just to see God. If God exists, then I think he would make his presence or existence known to us if he truly wanted too.

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  11. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Ah, but you could stand it's on it's end, and use it to climb up to heaven, ... like a big tower.

    Ignore me, I'm babling!
     
  12. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    the whole idea, theme, suggestion ....can we 'see 'God' is prepostrous

    tisidea stems from patriarchal beliefs of a separate 'God' in the sky. dont you see?

    theoriginal meaningof god wasn't tat at ALL. it was/is an ACTAUL FEELINGof esxpansion of self inspired with aking psychedelic sacraments

    when tis was suppressed by the patriarchal oppressors is when the idea of a sky-god emerges. you knwwww...one you can maybe see thru yer telescopes.....? hah!
     
  13. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    My post was a joke duendy, the spelling of 'babbling' as 'babling' underlining the idea of using a big telescope as a modern day 'Tower of Babel'. Got it?
     
  14. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    it wasn't particularly aimed at yu, but at the very idea of trying to see 'God' thru a telescope
     
  15. domesticated om Stickler for details Valued Senior Member

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    LOL-- you made me think of a question--- since we now understand the vastness of space, how tall does the tower of babel need to be in order to reach heaven.....especially since the structure is built on a rotating non-static object (the earth)?
     
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  16. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    If it wasn't aimed at me, why did you quote me?
     
  17. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    I used you....causeyer my bitch
     
  18. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Is it possible to see God with the biggest telescope ever?
    Are you serious....? :bugeye:

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  19. snake river rufus Registered Senior Member

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    Can a telescope ever see an imaginary being?
     
  20. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    The telescope in my yellow submarine can....

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  21. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    i want a telescope.

    peace.
     
  22. Ibanez Somebody Set Us Up The Bomb Registered Senior Member

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    Truthseeker, what the hell are you going to do with a telescope in a submarine?

    ...Apart from that, you can see far more significant things than god with a much simpler object similar in appearance to your telescope. Its called a kaleidoscope.

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  23. Archie Registered Senior Member

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    Just after one of the early Soviet space flights, one of their Cosmonauts (it's been forty years, I don't remember which one) said something to the effect of, "I looked all over and I didn't see God."

    That same year, one of our astronauts (I don't remember which one this was either) returned from a orbital ride and said, "I saw God all over." He was speaking figuratively, of course.

    To my knowledge, I've never seen God. I see His handiwork and I see His influence all the time. We talk constantly. No telescope required, simply an honest interest.

    As to the technical aspects of a telescope big enough to see back to the BB; Poincare's Stepchild has the gist of it. The universe was full of opaque plasma for quite a while. Even if we could penetrate back to the BB itself, there was no space for anything to exist, so what would we see in no space? I'm pretty sure we would not see God in a set of coveralls fiddling with the singularity with a long screwdriver.

    Now what might be interesting is if the huge telescope could pick up the light waves coming from Earth circumnavigating the Universe. Theoretically we could watch the formation of the Earth. Except it would broadcast in 'real time', and I think the quality of image might be distorted... like seeing a mirage on a hot highway...?
     

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