Lets talk about Chevez, you know the guy in venezuela

I dont know much about this guy apart from the fact that the americans dont like him and want to get rid of him, and he equally it appears does not like the americans.

what has this democratically elected leader done so wrong to piss the US off.

Opinions pls folks

 

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Chavez is introducing wealth redistribution economics into Veneuela , meaning the rich are going to lose their priveledged place . Chavez is taking the mineral wealth of Venezuela , petroleum and going to use it to benefit his nation . These policies run counter to the freemarket economic policies the US wants to enforce on the 3rd World .

It is simply people economic empowerment , the liberation of people from plutocratic control . This is what the inmans of Iran have been doing since 1979 , this is what the Cubans have been doing since 1960 .

 

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Your assesment of things are naive, and dont take reality into consideration. Could you show how this "redistibution of wealth" is happening.

Better yet show an example of where this has ever happened. I can see that the gap between the rich and poor is huge, can u please show where it is not?......how about Australia?

But it is intersesting how massive #'s of poor people enter U.S everyn day, why is that?

 

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LOL - Priceless.

Know how many Cubans die every year trying to get to America Foley ? On average now ? Huh do you ?

Priceless

As far as Chavez,

Dear President Chavez,

Of course, you do realize that this “dear” is as formal as they come. You were never dear to me, not even before 1998. See, many people might have forgotten it, or pretend to have forgotten it as long as you keep sending them oil or an allowance, but I, for one, have not forgotten that you are the 1992 coup monger, an assassin that still needs to account for the 200 something people that died then, the leader of the little tanks that were attacking a museum and the house where the wife of the Venezuelan president and his children were hiding. All but you apparently ignoring that rarely Carlos Andres visited his estranged wife. Then again, since you are at Miraflores, we have discovered that accurate information and scrutiny is not your forte. Your magic dust never worked on me, sorry. I have always seen you for the uncouth soldier that you were, are, will ever be.

I thought that I had figured you out quite well. See, I am one of those that know very well that you will never leave office in a democratic way. You and your pals have stolen too much, have committed too many crimes, and have to much of a power trip to let that escape your hand. I have no illusion. I do not know whether we in the opposition will force you out someday, or if the ones that will get rid of you are actually very close to you, very faithful servants who like any sycophant can turn their coats at an amazing speed. It does not matter: aberrations like your tenure on office always end, even if the country is a mess and unable to get rid of you. Castro will die someday. Peron did not survive Evita’s passing. Pinochet thought the people loved him. Velasco was sent packing by his allies when the country run out of food. You guys will always outreach yourselves. And you, Hugo, will not be the exception.

But I digress, as I am sure that I am not writing anything that you already do not know. I am not sure that you are intelligent but I will give you one thing: your street smarts are excellent and play well in politics. Maybe for a decade more if oil prices keep steady. Thus I am sure that at some level you are very aware of what I am writing.

Your histrionics are good too! They have more than one fooled, in particular overseas where the anti Bush, knee jerk anti US folks love every single nonsense you utter, every tiny bit of insult you send up North. They gobble it; they never have enough of it. It is for me amazing that they can support so easily a military regime, an authoritarian regime that they would not tolerate for a second at home. It is amazing how they can suspend disbelief to that extent. Hate is really a powerful feeling. Then again they still think Castro is hot; they still have not added up all the deaths that can be attributed to the Che; some even think that the fall of the Berlin Wall was a tragedy. Heck! Some might even miss Pinochet, a great scare crow if ever there was one, a good way to get the naïve to give them money for who knows what. Ask the Christian fundamentalists in the US and how many causes they supported as long as it allowed them to pick the pockets of their Sunday crowd! Even Pat Robertson tries to supplement his income using you.

That last part I am not as sure you can really get. See, you culture is very superficial, very uncritical, very emotional. You have shown time and again that you do not digest what you read, that you take everything out of context not because you do it on purpose but because you probably have no idea what context is and how important it is for the advancement of ideas, original ideas in particular. Your speeches are a constant stream of rehashed banalities that are made more palatable through your inimitable delivery. Perhaps if some media had given you a talk show by 1991 we would not be in the dire situation we are now. But I digress again, I only wanted to write that this lack of critical spirit, combined with a strange ego makes you a perfect target for these people who are sucking you dry. And even if you were to realize that they are using you, you probably would not mind. Power is a drug, and absolute power an absolute drug.

But it is time that I tell you why is it that for the first time ever I have decided to write to you directly. See, I am in the boondocks for a few days of deserved rest. Dealing with the bureaucratic tangles of the Bolivarian revolution is wearing me. I did tune up the radio last Monday night and I did manage to listen, through all the creaking, some words you said, maybe on Alo Presidente, I could not tell. But it does not matter. What you were saying was equally infamous no matter where you would say it. You were, need I remind you, comparing your pain to the pain of the mother of the Faddoul kids, assassinated a couple of weeks ago while kidnapped. This left me aghast, doubly aghast when I realized that you were accusing the opposition media of using the Faddoul drama for political purpose, JUST AS YOU WERE DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU ACCUSED THEM TO DO by comparing your pain to Mrs. Faddoul, just as you were telling us that you cried when you talked to her. By the way Hugo, did you cry BEFORE you talked to her? Because a lot of us did, you know, without Globovision needing to manipulate us into crying.

See, this is why I am writing to you today, finally after three years of criticizing almost anything you do. I think you have lost it and that you have become dangerous. It is time that someone tells it to you like it is.

A couple of weeks ago I was watching the Downfall, a movie that made it to the Oscar race telling us how were the last days of Hitler. No, you are not Hitler, I would not be silly enough to equate you to him, though some days it would be so easy to pigeon hole you as such. Like all brilliant manipulators, you will create your own brand of repression. But I have a confession to make: when I saw Hitler ranting, mistrusting anyone, threatening anyone, blaming anyone for his mistakes, believing any pipe dream he came up with, well, I could not help but be reminded of you. See, I do not see that in Castro. He is clear about what he is, a ruthless caudillo, perhaps the most successful dictator of our Latin American story, since Porfirio Diaz. I am too young for Peron or even Pinochet, but I did not see that in them either. These people at some level sensed when it was time to pack and go; and if Pinochet is now under investigation in Chile it is because he was fool enough to go to England against every piece of advice given to him, not because he had lost his wits. He dared, he lost, even when he thought he had managed to escape back to Chile.

No, what I heard in these few words transmitted by the radio of your regime showed me clearly that you have lost your bearings, that you are saying “n’importe quoi” so as to distract from a given monstrosity by creating yet another monstrosity. Your are going insane and that is dangerous for the country, for you, for me, for our families, for our peace as a nation. Keep going and soon enough we will end up in a civil war and it is your side that will start it because simply they will not be able to hide your words anymore and will be forced to act on them, be forced to spring into action, just as Nazi generals were taking young teenagers to defend Berlin, having lost any sense of past, present or future. You should watch that movie, you do not even need to get the context, the end never needs context.

I urge you, Hugo Chavez, if you still have moments of lucidity to stop this march to madness. If you must, cheat on elections, exile a few of us, but do not start feeling more pain than your victims. Stay in office forever if we must to avoid a civil war. But what you are doing now is madness and it leads us to hell.

Sincerely, as anyone ever was Daniel.

I found this here.. http://daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com/

 

this is worth reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariel_Boat_Lift

 

I 100% support mr. Chevez and think it's time the USA stopped messing with other countries.
Of course it won't do it, therefore I like Chevez's idea of blowing up the oil wells if the USA tries to take over.

 

what about the environmental implications? the U.S take over...thats funny.

 

Not funny at all, just look at the history of the 20th century Latin America. The USA has sponsored about 40 wars and rebellions.

shit happens

 

Perhaps he should get himself a nuke.

then the US will stay away

 

Your long post, which is more than total of all others, has few facts in it, so I will just comment on four words I found while skimming it:

I think you are giving Hugo too much credit. You must recognize how easy the oligarchy that preceded him made it for him.

When about 1% of Venezuela’s population controlled the oil income, there was no medical service for the people. Few had ever even seen a doctor* in their whole lives. There were no clinics for most, even if you could pay, and few could with no jobs. What existed then was restricted stores that sold subsided imports only to the 1% and some of the better placed oil-company employees - the office workers, not those that that got dirty in the field. There were, of course, very good schools for their children, free of any tuition, but essentially no public schools for the people. Etc.

As I said, you give Hugo too much credit. Given the way the 1% was using the oil income, any idiot could be a "brilliant Manipulator."
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*Castro educates doctors and exports them to much the third world, sometimes with little to show for it, but he gets very cheap oil in exchange for the 1000s that now man the free medical clinics that serve the people of Venezuela

 

The reality of the moment is that Venezuela is under an economic attack from America and Europe .
1 ) The U.S.-backed coup in April 2002 .
2 ) The 2002 general strike led by oil executives at the state oil monopoly and the business elite , which cost the country $8 billion .
3 ) US currency manipulation of the Venezualan Bolivar caused a devaluation and a capital flight out of Venezuela costing some 11.3 billion .
Thats reality .

Its a start .

Yugoslavia

Goth Whitlam years as Prime Minister until he was predictably scaked in a US inspired attack which was really a coup .

Of course and many millions more 3rd world poor enter the EU and Australia each year as well , and what else would you expect as our affluent nations keep these nations poor .
But it is intersesting how massive #'s of poor people live U.S , why is that?

I mean you hold America and its economic policies up as an example , at least explain this contradiction .

They wouldnt be leaving because the US has economically embargoed Cuba for 40 years ?

Or the intentional US aggression against the Cuban economy .

Seems to me the US could use a Chavez of their own .

 

President Chavez represents the one thing the the USA hates the most. A President of ALL the people - not just the rich.

I have more respect for President Chavez than all US presidents COMBINED!!!

 

And it would seem yours stem from a total brain washing... but we gotta have sheep too.

 

Brian,

Time has demonstrated that equality is something that will never happen. cant you accept that?..... but you allready have.

As far as # of poor people in U.S, you must consider that California alone is more populated than all of Australia.

P.S-not sure the examples you copied show redistribution of wealth, at least not in a meaningfull way. maybe i'm missing something. but they look positive.

thats it for now.


Oh almost forgot-

DKB- good to see you back.

 

"This is what the inmans of Iran have been doing since 1979 , this is what the Cubans have been doing since 1960 ."

LOL

Yeah, Cuba has such a high standard of living LOL
Oh and Iran! Gotta love those high quality mud houses that collapse every year!

Chavez is nothing but another dictator who uses poor people to get into power. They are just as poor now as the day he entered office and will be just as poor when he leaves. And "Money distribution" is nothing more than the Chavez and his cronies taking other peoples money and keeping it for themselves. Didnt Zimbabwe have the same type of economic policy? Tell us dear Brian how that has worked out for Zimbabwe?

 

I doubt that. At least their children now are going to schools and all go to doctors in free clinics, neither of which even existed when all the oil income was used exclusively by less than 1% of the population to fund the restricted-access stores that sold subsidized imported goods and the free, but "private," schools only the 1 percent's childeren could attend. For more details - see my prior post.

 

Or that Cuban immigrants are a special case. What is it, you ask? Any Cubans that come to the U.S. are practically automatically made U.S. citizens unlike immigrants from other countries that risk deportation.

That's a special feature all part of the war vs Cuba to make capitalism look better than socialism and communism.

And by the way, I'm a U.S. resident. Lived in Southern California almost my whole life save for a few off and on years in Las Vegas, NV. Never been to a doctor once other than for my childhood shots. Yay capitalism!

- N

 

46 years of a US embargo and sanctions prevents Cuba from fully attaning first world status , Capitalist states cannot afford to allow Socialism to be seen to prosper it would give other nations the impetus to adopt such an economic platform .

Chavez is not a dictator in fact he has won the last 3 elections the last one with 75% of the vote .

Zimbabwe had a land redistribution where 100,000 whites had 50% of the best lands , of couse when he initiated this policy the Capitalist West clamped an econmic embargo on this country .

 

Foley,

so that is what decides Cuba's fate?

 

guess Foley thinks my post is beneath his knowledge database. yippeee i won

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