death penalty - yes or no

Seriously man, british prisons are cushy, when it comes down to it. They have everything but their freedom.
Education, councelling, therapy, gyms, tobacco, matching bedsreads and curtains (oh yes), ps2s, Tv, cable, access to food, and cooking utensils (Including knives, chip fat etc), and drugs(Yeah, they have to smuggle those though

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). Seriously, the only thing they really go without is some decent company and the ability to leave when they like.

 

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how the hell can anyone say that english prisons are hard most prisoners have more to do than i do

 

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Before I started this post somebody died, as I am typing this post somebody is dying, and after finishing this post there will be a total of three deaths. Death is nothing, people die everyday;and obviously the people committing the most horrifying crimes are tired of life anyway or looking for something life and the society cannot possible give them.Thus my opinion is... let's see them out.

 

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As if the loss of freedom was a trivial issue. All you have to do is look at rebellious teenagers constantly complaining about the relatively small constraints imposed by their parents to realize to what extent people value their personal freedom. Most kids can't wait to grow up and leave home, and they're way more comfortable and have more freedom than any prisoner. Would you give yours up for all those luxuries you listed? I wouldn't. It might be nice for a while, but year after year?

 

While we're at it, lets get rid of the medical system. So many millions wasted on people's health. What difference would a few more deaths from cancer or old age make, given the number of deaths every day anyway?

 

Death row is costly in US, but that does not mean it's the same else where.
The cost problem is completely man-made. A 10,000-page doc to detail a small crime. You get the idea.

 

I actively demonstrate I wouldn't give it up by not being a criminal.
Though saying that, I wouldn't actually consider being in a prison a punishment. Not in England.Maybe in thailand or somewhere yeah, but from my point of view the punishment in england would be when you get out of prison to realise by committing whatever crime, is going to make it very difficult for you to get your life back, and get peoples respect back. But, alot of people in prisons don't actually want that anyway. They just come out commit more crime, and get put back in.... that's how terrible it is for them.

I have known people commit crimes simply so they get put in prison, be it because they have nowhere to live, or because they want to get off heroin. Would you call something a punishment when people commit crimes on purpose to be given this 'punishment'.

Seriously, I know people who have been in prisons, and I know people who work in prisons, and it's less of a punishment, and more of an inconvenience.

 

Some people never learn. There's not much you can do about that.

Are we talking 6 months, or do they willingly give up 50 years of their lives? I was talking about long term/life imprisonment.

EDIT: Why are we talking about prison anyway? I thought this thread was about the death penalty. I don't see how current punishments can in any way be used to justify other punishments under consideration. Saying that Britain needs the death penalty because its prisons are too comfortable is like concluding you need a tank because your car's tyres are flat.

 

If your going to take a life on your own accord, society has the right to judge your action to the same level of result, and then send you on a long drop, short rope, tall tree, journey. Why is it not OK to remove a person from society, who is willing to remove the life of another with out due process for personal gain?
DNA is becoming the true arbiter of guilt if the DNA gives proof positive send them on the final trip, it should work both way if it can prove innocence, it can also prove guilt.

 

This is the idea behind the slammer...

 

Something about not stooping to their level, I think.

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But we don't stoop to their level, they make their decission to kill on selfish personal gain, monetary, revenge, to hide their crime, or for the worst reason of all, the thrill of it because they can! Society has the right and duty to remove these individuals permantly, and we should not have to support these people by our taxes for the rest of there life and justice has to be served or eventually civilation ceases to exist. The major reason also for exicution is that you bleeding heart eventualy want these people realeased because it is inhumane to keep the them locked up, and that thay can be reabilitated, now if this is true move them into the house next to yourself and expose your loved one to their tender mercies and sleep well, as for me if they are exicuted no more mistakes can be made, and no new victims will have to die at there hands!

 

As long as we don't kill them back just because we can...

= life imprisonment.

As has already been mentioned, execution is very expensive.

But it's humane to kill them?

I'm sure at least a few can, but certainly not all of them.

The idea is not to release criminals you wouldn't feel safe allowing back into society.

You could be making a mistake executing them, and that you can't undo.

 

Yes. You kill someone, you deserve to be killed back. Let the punishment fit the crime. That's why I think it's not a bad thing to cut the hands off of thieves.
Though it could be a bit extreme. Life imprisonment in a Federal "pound-you-in-the-ass" Prison would be better, probably.

 

Society as a whole just may barely support the death penalty but we are talking individual opinions here, the makeup of society. To all I say, where is the forgiveness? Should you expect others to give you any mercy or love if you do not show them any? Treat others as you want to be treated. Should we kill them to prevent them killing someone else? If you steal, should your hand be cut off? Can that hand not be used to give back also and then some? To be used to labor and help make up for any expenditures attibuted to the crime. And then the man will hopefully also learn and then be able to use that hand in the future to teach others and to hold his daughter or son and labor for them in the future. If a man takes another man's life because he didn't forgive the man for a sin against him, and then we don't forgive the man for not forgiving, then the unforgiving just spreads. Why take a bad action and make another bad action? Why not take a bad action and make it into something which could be better and in turn bless the family because of the sin he committed and in turn hopefully teach others. If he goes to prison, it can also teach him to teach others forgiveness. These people in prison are not a lost cause. They deserve second chances just as anyone out of jail gets and most of you commit crimes, albeit misdemeanors, and mostly never get caught. That could just as easily be any one of you in jail. Chances are, you're lying if you tell me you've never broken the law and I know you're lying if you tell me you've never committed a sin. Where is the forgiveness instead of the whole, 'holier than thou', attitude that is so common these days but yet, hardly anyone even attempts to be holy. Lots of hypocrisy going on.

 

Nice statement, actually.

You have to be careful with forgiveness though, and not be too hasty to hand it out. The only general rule I think applies to human behavior is that there are no general rules. It doesn't make any more sense to say everyone can be forgiven than "once a killer, always a killer." I'm sure some murderers are not criminals by nature, while others really are cold blooded killers/psychopaths with little or no regard for human life. There's simply no place in society for such a person.

Also, if you show too much willingness to forgive, you're likely to be manipulated and taken advantage of. Its why I'm not really sure what to think of parole or early release from prison based on good behaviour. I'm not, in principle, against the idea, but there's a definite potential for abuse (another thing I have against execution is that it completely removes this possibility - it doesn't make much sense to sentence someone to "death with the possibility of parole").

 

In the case of forgiveness here, I am speaking of taking someone's life. A man can still be forgiven but still take his punishment. In any case, I don't think killing another is the way out. Let them serve their time and labor in a prison to help others. These people would feel a lot better, I'm sure, to get out and get some sun, even if it is to labor for the public or government's sake and they can still feel needed. Keeping them behind bars is not productive or healthy to them or society. It is counter-productive. I won't get into the politics of it here but I believe God put us here and it is for God to decide when it's our time to go, not us.

 

If you murder someone, your life is forfeit. You have no right to enjoy any of the pleasures of life while your victim is rotting in the ground. Every breath a murderer takes is an insult to his victim.

I'm not in favor of cutting off thieves hands, though. Violent punishments should be reserved for violent crimes. Let the thief pay back the money, maybe ten times the amount he stold.

 

yes maybe you should cut the hands of someone who has beaten someone to within an inch of their lives yet have survived

 

Nope, that would never be good. Think of all the people in jail who are there by a fault in the justice system, wrongly accused, and when you lose your hands, there's no putting them back on like they were. Suppose someone is mad at you and starts a fight over, let's say a woman, and you punch back and it knocks him out. All it takes is one good punch to kill a man. When you get in a fight, it's easy to make a mistake and injure them more than you intended. Would you want your hands cut off for that? Life and body parts can't be taken back so if they're accused wrong, does that mean someone in the justice system should have their life taken away for wrongly accusing them? I doubt anyone here could kill their son/daughter if they killed another one of your sons or daughters. If they were fighting and one beat the other to death, would you beat the one who killed to death yourself? I seriously doubt it. That's because you have less hate and more understanding for a family member. And it's got a lot to do with hate and who's who, unfortunately. It's corruption. Let's face it, killing is barbaric and for the less intelligent. Only under an extreme case of self defense could it be deemed innocent. You can always disable in self defense instead of kill. If you think someone else's life is cheap and quick to kill, you can expect them to think the same of your life.