Does Non-Existance Exists?

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  1. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    I am great at refuting my own hypothesis.

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    I'm a master of the non-sense...

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  3. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Not that anyone has observed to date.
     
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  5. c7ityi_ Registered Senior Member

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    what is existence? is it nonexistence?
     
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  7. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    COuld not exist.. noodles and wads of meat do not make room for life.
     
  8. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    It's presence of information at the very least.
     
  9. Possumking I think, I am? Registered Senior Member

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    Something non-existent does not exist. However, the concept of something non-existent does exist.

    Thats the best that I can come up with.
     
  10. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    ^ Good answer.

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  11. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    Truthseeker...

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    WTF? LOL.
     
  12. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    Assume our universe is finite. You do agree that all things that could exist is just a collection to infinity?

    Anyway I am just arguing something different than what TS meant, as I know what he means. I just feel like being a bitch.
     
  13. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    You are very successful in being a bitch.
     
  14. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    LOL, how so?
     
  15. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    You are fooling around with my head!
     
  16. oxypunk101 Registered Member

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    I don't know why I thought of this a long time ago, but it goes with this thread. What if nothing really exist. Then anything can happen in our universe because in the end none of it really exist. T

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  17. ecclesiastes Registered Senior Member

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    just to get this idea of non-existance clear i'd like to use an example making some assumptions..
    say we have a soul. and we do not know what happens to it when we die. does it still exist or go into a state of non existance?
    is this what ur getting at? the existence of a state of non existence?

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  18. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    No. I'm asking if a state of non-existance can actually be perceived as existance.

    I think... I don't remember the start of this thread...

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  19. RoyLennigan Registered Senior Member

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    i think you guys are just playing with words now.

    everything is as it is--everything is made of the same basic stuff. nothing can cease existing, it just changes into some other form. the building blocks have always been here, its just that they are constantly reorganized in different patterns and structures. the things that can never exist are only mental associations between actual things that have no such association in reality. the things that do exist, but have no physical form, are interactions and relationships.
     
  20. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Isn't that what constitutes a conversation?

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  21. RoyLennigan Registered Senior Member

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    lol maybe, but usually the words actually relate to something we can percieve directly.
     
  22. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Well, maybe everything is made out of nothingness. Why not? Nothingness is the simplest form of existance. It is logical that existance could come from it. Unless you believe that everything that exists has always existed, which means that there is an infinite amount of time in the past.

    But anyways... I'm starting to go off a tangent now...

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    On a side note, subatomic particles often spontaneusly appear from absolute vaccum...

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  23. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Everything couldn't be made out of nothing simply by virtue that it's something

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    . Even in the remotest theories of inflation, the laws of physics and bubbles of structure seem to exist.

    That pure vaccum idea with virtual particles appearing isn't quite something from nothing. The pure vaccum of space is loaded with structure (space-time for example) as well as energy galore. The 'purest' vaccum is theorized in inflation (reference my original paragraph), but that is utra theoretical. We can at least detect virtual particles in our universe.

    Consequently, it may just be that something 'always' existed / will exist. I put 'always' in quotes because time (as we know it) may only be applicable to our universe (assuming it really exists and is not an illusion of probability states and our perception and memory within any particular state). Hell we don't know what time is, but thats a whole new can of worms.
     

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